billcoe

Have the kids taken up my suggestion to put up a rope swing at The Great Roof or Juniper Spire yet?

no Uhhh, OK no Who cares no maybe could happen Your welcome. Wait, I think I actually messed up the sequence and got the answers wrong. Lets just go with who cares for all. Any other questions I can assist with - I'll be here all week. Thank you ...thank you.

Here's what it is Scott. (Hang with me for this as it's along way from where I'm going to start in 1968 to the current 9-11 and Bin Laden crazy beliefs being discussed) Common belief for @ 30 years after the Martin Luther King assassination was that a lone racist nut job (James Earl Ray) did it. Ray, pretty much a total douchbag anyway, denied pulling the trigger and said he as a patsy and set up. He was convicted anyway as no normal rational person would ever believe a loser like him and disbelieve the government. There was always some other questionable funny business associated with the killing that caused "nutjobs" like some of Kings friends to wonder what the real story was. They looked into it and could not get the authorities to look into the truth. started to come out in court during the Lloyd Jowers conspiracy case that the King family brought. Were you aware that in a court of law, the Kings proved that it was a conspiracy and not a single racist wack job who killed MLK? Ray was dead in prison at that time so his innocence was not proved. What was proved is that others were actively involved in the murder. Were you aware that there were 2 Army sniper teams closeby and within view of Martin Luther King at the very moment when he was killed? One team was taking photos. The other was watching. Neither did the deed per testimony, and they didn't know who pulled the trigger either. But the Army photos of the assassination have never surfaced. Yet in sworn testimony, one member of one of the Army teams testified where he was and that there was a 2nd Army sniper unit on top of the Fire station directly across from the Lorraine Motel (currently called the National Civil Rights museum) where MLK was staying (and where he had stayed so many times before they started calling the room the King Abernathy suite) and was shot. They went to the fire station asking questions and it turns out that the Fire Captain of that station personally let the Army photographers into the building the morning King was assassinated. Unanswered questions still remain. Why were there 2 army sniper teams put in position the morning before King was shot? Where are the Army pictures of the murder? Who ordered the 2 teams into those positions? Check out this book: An Act of State: The Execution of Martin Luther King by William F. Pepper http://www.amazon.com/An-Act-State-Execution-Updated/dp/B005B1KZBC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347894787&sr=8-1&keywords=Martin+luther+King+pepper For myself, being in the Army I had personally seen disinformation released which I knew to be false so as to present an incorrect picture of the situation to the enemy. I was fine with that, think it's a good idea anytime you can get away with it. However I'd never seen anything like this and will confess that the government murder of Mr Non-violent and the resulting bullshit afterwards shocks the holy hell out of me. It makes me, and others, question every other solid assumption I've carried on a range of issues and leads to a general distrust of news stories, which are often little more than some lying sack of shit who works for the government releasing a news story published as "facts and truth" with no actual fact checking. Who knows what the hell else is going on with these lying, controlling, consitution avoiding, murderous sacks of shit? Where that can lead any normal person, or not so normal like seen up thread (LOL joking boys joking) is some crazy beliefs: which might be true and might be total baloney. Now you have 9/11 deniers and Obama death deniers and all kinds of things. Who can say for certain what is real? What is truth? So if you come on here and say X, Y or Z we'd believe it if you had first, or even second hand info. But after learning of the government complicity in the murder of Martin Luther King, and seeing the amazingly near perfect disinformation campaign that resulted in all Americans but a few believe a total lie and see an innocent man go to jail, do you want us to believe anything these other people say (whomever the hell in the government who literally got away with murder of a prominent American) about anything?

I don't know shit so no worries, I'm relying on news reports and have never even been to Egypt or Libya. Would welcome your input if you've got an accurate first hand or 2nd hand account. Uhhh Bob, I think you're supporting and agreeing to Ivans point dude.

I'd disagree. You are trying to do right by your family and your country. Critical thinking and passion isn't a bad thing IMO. Debate and argument can help us all get to a better spot. And as much as it pisses some of us off, it's been happening since the founding of the country and it is a good thing. As I understand it, some of the embassy guards doing external security are local citizens/contract workers, and are not allowed to have real ammo in some cases. I have not confirmed this, so it could be wrong. Regardless, imagine a large group of douchbags all showing up and trying to stampede the herd. Shooting them may (or may not) be productive, and I'm sure that the guards have very limiting orders on what they can do in various situations. In Yemen, a Yemini citizen was the only casualty I think. Whereas in the Libya case, the ambassador was on the move due to a fire in the embassy safe room all of our embassy's have. Retreat to it was out of the question due to the fire - the Paki douchnozzles did this to the US Pakistani embassy and they almost killed everyone who had retreated to the safe room due to lack of O2 in the 1980s. Lessons learned. In this instance, think of a quarterback flushed out of the pocket except that the defensive ends in this case had turbans, RPG's and automatic weapons. They were well briefed and were lying in ambush waiting for the ambassador at his fall back position. The ambassador, a Doctor from Seattle no less, appeared to have been intentionally flushed out and ambushed in a well planned and coordinated attack that had solid intel on the US contingency plans. Don't know where they got the info, but certainly something as simple as the William Buckley kidnapping or the Iran takeover could have been the original sources lo those many years ago. Regards to all -

Call on Uncle Bill to assist here. You'll be busy, I can teach the lad how to pour. I've done this successfully with my own son before so I've got experience.

Ya gotta go where the birds are Ivan. I saw them still there as of @2 weeks when I hiked that lower Cape Falls trail. Maybe the cops chased them out and they're homeless now. Can you say "migratory bird act"? The Forest Service is still feeling a tad butt hurt over the fact that some hiking enthusiasts just showed up and put that trail in there LOL. Great trail. Nice to see the FS start to get onboard. I think that it's close to the best trail in the gorge, that lower one ducks behind a waterfall and you can see Cigar Rock and that sweet looking columnar basalt below which now has bullet holes in it. The upper one has great views. Anyway, in any contest between Peregrines and SWAT troops spraying live 5.56 everywhere, my money is on SWAT.

Still unanswered. I thought that the Atlantic had 5 great points/questions regarding the attack in Libya. I was wondering on #3 and #4 myself. What Israeli anywhere in the world would do this kind of thing? A corollary news story today is one of the actors saying that she was lied to about what the film portrayed, and had NO clue they were dissin' on Mohammed. Interesting times indeed. updated 9:40am. Re #3 and 4 above, more info.

Don't know if anyone saw the front page of the Oregonian today. The Portland police chose Cape Horn cliffs to do a live fire training exercise.....forgot to tell anyone or ask first. Sounded like a war zone it's said. Turns out they didn't know the popular Cape Horn trail was right there on the top, that the cliffs had Petroglyphs, That it was a national scenic area (whatever that means) or that Peregrines were using the cliff to nest. pffft, live and learn. On a positive note, they cliffs now have some extra holes/holds to facilitate easier climbing, but of course it's manmade. LOL

Ben said it's the best route up there and you chose a great line. Congrats on what is clearly a job well done Scott, Rick and Rhonda. Woot!

A surprisingly large amount of climbers think that 9/11 was not as bill (attack by 17 Arabs with boxcutters). They discuss World Trade Center Tower #7 here. http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1667999&tn=0&mr=0

Minimally better. I think you still need work on these trolls. Google "Jeff Batten" if you want to learn from the (late) master. Really.

Need an extra chair here:-)

Sweet. You might consider doing a new TR for Ben, this is loading slow with all the pictures:-) Looking forward to it.

Sean O'Connor excellent photos of Plaidman doing the route "Into the Mystic" are for sale. Or you can perv out for free and scroll through them. http://freesolophotography.photoshelter.com/gallery/100-climbs-100-miles-100-days-Project/G0000rziAYQEYxvI/C0000jJAmfFIWsTY Enjoy!

LOL! Thanks and you're welcome. Hope to see a Trip report of how Ben likes the route when you lap it today.

http://gizmodo.com/5940983/heres-a-full+body-rock-climbing-harness-for-pregnant-women-because-apparently-thats-a-good-idea

Interesting that 5.10 doesn't list them on their site. Wonder if they didn't really crank them out, or 1/2 way in chose to stop production and discontinue them...hmmmm I was waiting for someone to post, I've never seen a pair in the wild.

It's bullshit to post some unknown douches summation of a single point of another's opinion and then discuss that. (not that anyone cares what my opinion on an opinion of an opinion is....) Put the whole thing out there. Read the whole thing first. Cusak is interviewing a law Professor about the degradation via fiat big goverment mandates of our Constitution. Are you disagreeing with this Scott? Anyone else? Read it all. Here it is:

Lets all pass on a single spray post here to add a comment that counts on Trout Creek. Even you Washington sprayers will sooner or later be lapping down here. Toss a comment in the ring please.

That it is, that it is. Now we need to get some folks on it to confirm that rating and have fun at the same time. We should do an office pool on when the 2nd ascent is ......like I'm talking guess the year :-) Congrats Scott, Rick and Rhonda!!!

Hi Dave, At Smith Rock, you or someone needs to be with your dog at all times. You can't tie your dog up and do a multi-pitch lap. Which means you aren't getting much climbing in. Otherwise, dogs are OK. Don't know much of other places. As far as I know for PDX dogs 100% good no restrictions no leashs no worries at Farside, Ozone, Coethedral, Broughtons, Rock Creek/Cliff Cliff. I think leashed dogs OK at Beacon. Sorry if those may not be local to you, someone will post up shortly on Washingtons crags. Welcome to the area. Bad dog, bad dog, no bisquit!

NOPE. Only after you've bitch slapped that Adam Ondra kid and lectured the hell out of him for sticking in bolts closer than 10 feet on a clean overhang with ZERO RISK -especially in a easy access well trafficked area like the Elbe, not out on the middle of the forsaken Oregon wilderness where Mountain Lions will hump your dog and there is not even cell coverage and a man still stands alone. Click Nates link above "ADAM" and the last 2 bolts the lad places are maybe 3 feet apart, and he's hanging to drill them. Based on Nates post above explaining to you, PLAIDMAN, that 10 feet is CLEARLY too close to put bolts. I'm sure he has already scolded the lad about his poor style. If you do it or confirm that Nate already did, then you can change the thread title back. Sorry dude, there's rules ya know. And I should get my hand drill back too. There is a daily charge for late gear. $0.10/cents a day in fact. At this point, you owe me a Terminator Porter and if the hand drill doesn't show up it might soon be a full dinner and drunken binge..... Until then, we will continue to have an excessive inventory of shit rock as the title suggests. Hopefully Dave Sowerby fully recovers too so his fingers are fully functional and he can swear online at least at the loose shit around here. Until that cast gets off I can almost say I'm finally outclimbing the guy:-) As long as it's not a slab I'd bet. Hola Dave! heal up man.

OMG, I just ate over half a box of Duncan Hines yellow cake mix right out of the box. I just pop open the box and eat the powder with a soup spoon. I've told my wife not to buy the stuff but she doesn't listen. She gets upset that I always nosh it right out of the box, and cakes never get made. Anyway, everyfuckingtime I eat a box of this shit, in addition to my manboobs growing an inch I feel like puking. Can anyone advise what can mitigate the puking feeling? I can't stop eating it and she won't stop buying it. Seriously. I might head down to finish off the box right now. Holy shit that's good stuff. I can't even imagine how bad that crap is for me, so I'll avoid reading the lack of nutrition labeling for now. Help?

[video:youtube] Boom boom, out go the lights. 1:40 in. Like that only faster. No lives lost, no lights no power no mo. Boom boom, out go the lights. October they say. I've got an ounce of gold bet on it happening before end of year. Something new is about to hit.....soon. In Iran. The battlefield is moving into the realm of the ephemeral non-corporeal via Jewish drive, smarts and fear. Lights go out. Everything stops. Magic. No "genocide" bone. Pay the man. I called it a year and a half back.