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Is today big picture day or are we just trying to shut down the conversation? Here: for you Jake!

Yes, true dat. Want to see my man-boobs? Jas and I just came back from dinner where we overate and discussed our 26th wedding anniversary (30 total years together in 4 months if you count the time before we got the paperwork done) ...and overate some more. They have filled out quite nicely if I might say so. 34C's for sure....hawt stuff.

John K? What is we be discussin here? Wuzat?

....only if you have a thing for unattractive fat old guys.... If you need some better followup shots of native habitat (near PDX) Here's a picture of my wide ass up at Gothic Rocks, the Cathedral Formation, doing the first ascent of something.....I think it's "The Dragons Spine". Amazing stuff. Just like 10' high corn has not been seen by most folks, most people have never seen anything like this. Different and unique to anything else in Oregon for sure. World class stuff, except the formation is small. Maybe 400' high of fantastic knobs, but short. Knobs pop off at random and strange times and that makes for some tense times. But once this secret spot gets outed, the loose knobs will be gone a a couple of ascents and some extremely pleasing solid knob climbing will remain. You can tell from the big fir tree there that Ujahn turned the camera-picture so it looks like I'm crawling and that it's not steep...LOL I've been jonesing on doing the Old Witch formation out there..... My hands sweat when I think of her, which seems to be constantly. It's a total sickness. Oh yes, it must be done. Solo. The solo idea evolved from a discussion on where the poor belayer would stand, too stupid or nice to refuse to belay. Left below looking up at the leaders ass and some monster knobs that are looking for a minimal nudge and gravity to take effect: the front 10 pin in the bowling alley from hell so to speak. Solo looked better for that reason as well as the personal challenge and pull she was exerting one me. If I don't survive it let my words stand in testament to the pull she had on me, and the ferocity of which she took my mind and my heart. Bewitched by the Bitch of a Witch. Let the line I tried be forever named Salethe Highway after the great climber John Salethe and the standards of courage he set for us mortals on his Lost Arrow tip solo. Here she stands in stark glory with her nose, mouth and chin profiled. Her hair bun will be the rap point, if it holds, for it overhangs:-) (hands still sweating). There is a compression fracture at her neck which is worrisome as well. Deep and thoughtful debate has occurred amongst those who have seen her close if the head will actually hold a climbers weight, or simply roll off her shoulders with the climber screaming and pissing all the way to the ground @400' or so below. Distance shot of the same thing with the top marked with a black arrow. (ignore the 2nd non-shafted arrow, my bad) 1st pitch of Trench Warfare dotted White line (@ just under 200 feet long there). Proposed "The Old Witch" routes. Short right dotted black line is looking to be ground up. The front will be 3 pitches and rap bolted once if (LOL) the shorter route is established to the top. It was suggested that we could merely toss a rope over it and jug up and be done, but it didn't seem right, and I was looking forward to the shot at a ground up, natural pro, knob breaking, pants filling full value ride. Stunning, no? I'm getting moist just looking at her...OMG! OMG! Uhh Uhh UHHOOOO! _________________________________________________________________ Edited 9/26/09: I'm very relieved and damn happy to have completed my objective of finally climbing the Old Witch pinnacle at Cathedral Formation at Gothic Rocks today! Ground up, solo, onsight (except I'd seen it before and had some pictures I guess) natural pro, no bolts, even no bolts on top to rap off - it's a slung horn. Then my bros and I (the photographers and cheering squad) went off and added a second pitch to Lava Tube -seen below. That's Adam foot as he got the lead since it was his first time here while Ujahn and I are looking like we are wondering where the belay device has gone off too. "I thought you were belaying him?", "He's climbing now?" "Shit yeah, he's 3 bolts up already on a 2nd pitch, put him on!" "No dude, it's your turn"..."well, ya gonna put him on fer Christs sake", "No, you do it, I just told you its you turn are you daff?", "This ain't funny dude he'll land on us if he boffs taking that picture and falls so YOU put him on- I don't have a belay device", "Me either, is that it 200" below us on the ground?" "Sort of looks like it".....LOL, just kidding, never happened that way. Made it back in time for all the events. Ujahn made it to the Pearl Jam concert and we had time to see all of our bros at the 2009 Ice Fest at Portland Rock Gym and quaff a free beer....or 3. Of the pinnacles at Cathedral Formation, the largest one, which was named "The Old Witch" for obvious reasons stands out as the pinnacle of pinnacles in this area. Much discussion ensued on amongst various climbers on how she should be defiled and devirginised. It was ruminated that given the relatively flat spot on the top, the closeness to the main wall and the knobs on her, that the best way would be to simply throw a rope over the pinnacle and top rope it, bolting as needed, as we went up. This discourse reminded me of the Lost Arrow tip saga oh so many years of old, where the great John Salethe, after a solo encounter with a scary Lost Arrow notch reconnoiter in place, watched as some others launched a rope over the top of the Arrow and gained the summit he had so eagerly had sought. My contribution to the conversation was that although we could do the rope toss, why not first take a shot at a ground up lead. This led to the conversation of where should the belayer stand? Loose rocks would undoubtedly rain down on that poor unfortunate soul who was too stupid or too kind to say no to belaying. It was suggested that the belay could be enacted from 30' over and up near a large tree, and the rope could just drop down and then up to the climber. Any rocks would drop free into space then. In the back of my mind, I wondered if perhaps just trying a solo lead of her might not be the best way to approach her. Soon this apparently random innocuous thought began to take over my mind. Daily, at work and at home my thoughts would turn again and again back to the problem, and I examined it over and over until it was me and I was it. I went to sleep thinking of her, I dreamt of her while sleeping, I woke up thinking of it and she would pop into my head mid-conversation daily. I was bewitched. In August, when no partners were available, I decided it would be a perfect time to take a shot at it and had packed and was ready to go fire it. Solo. That night I got a phone call from another older climber. A stunned silence followed when I told him where I was heading alone and what I was up to in response to his question on what I was doing that weekend. He knew how remote this location was and was wondering how I would get to the top. I knew that I had given the potential route choice much more thought when I explained that 3 big Bros should get me safety to the upper pinnacle and he expressed surprise that Big Bros could be used. He politely asked if it would be OK if he could accompany me the base of the Witch and take pictures. It appeared to me that he didn't want to crowd into my dream and disrupt it and was being very sensitive to my needs while still creeping into watch my project. At one time as a younger climber, he he had been one of the best and most prolific climbers in the state, but he had dropped out of climbing to raise a family and start a business. Now he was back and had been climbing. He was still awesome company, yet his knee had decided it was time to be old and was not working worth a damn. Perhaps too much training too fast as he came back had done his knee in, but done in she was and limping slowly and painfully he was. A great photographer and perfectionist, I was honored that he wanted to tag along and get some pictures. Yet at 54 years old, balding and graying on top and 20 lbs overweight *cough* 30 *cough*, I had no illusions that anyone would get any joy from looking at any climbing pictures of me. On the drive up to the area, without being judgmental or probing my partner for the day gently explored my thoughts on this (bad) solo idea. Like a 3 year old in a candy store, I had my mind made up and that was that. We rounded the curve in the road that indicated we were within 10 miles of the cliff and were stopped dead in our tracks by an few orange barrels in the middle of the road which were accompanied by a large ROAD CLOSED" sign. We quickly dispatched with that by driving around it and made it exactly 1 more mile before we came upon 2 track hoes that were dug in 4 feet below grade where the former road was. Thwarted, saddened and dejected, we crept off with tails between legs. One more month went by. Day and night, night and day the bewitchment continued. I worked with pictures of her on my computer, my thoughts and dreams ruled by thoughts of her. A long month later, some other projects bagged, I cautiously called the FS and learned that the road would open that Friday afternoon. A quick call to my buds Ujahn and Adam and plans were changed on the fly. I apologized for still selfishly wanting to solo the route, but the next morning found us driving out there anyway. The hike in was noteable only as we neared the cliff and my sweaty palms and thoughts were starting to focus on the route, Ujahn wanted to start a conversation on if this was a smart or sane thing to do...this helped up my fear level an additional notch or 3. For the Witch climb I had convinced myself that I could figure out which knobs would hold, and thus not endanger myself, too much, or less anyway. The last FA I'd led out here, "The Dragons Spine", had a couple of near misses on lead when I popped footholds and was dangling by my other 3 points. That, however, would have been a fall onto a solid bolt that I'd placed myself. Bomber 1/2" x 6-1/4" Stainless steel wedge anchors in fact. With that as a backdrop, it was an inauspicious beginning when the very first 2 footholds I tried, and which were significantly sized and "should" have held, gave way immediately and crumbled off as I stepped on them before I got the one below and it it held. In addition to the testes shrinking effect, this gave me pause and made for great entertainment and viewing as I watched them take their sweet time and fly towards the ground. I thought about this while I watched them, would the holds up high be like that? What if there was no pro? This had the effect of causing me to be tense and yet deeply focused as, balls crowding into the spot next to my Adams Apple, I ascended anyway. You can see all of the natural protection possibilities visible *cough* cough* to me in these pictures. Or not visible in this case. One crappy and weaksauce Big bro went in which wouldn't have held a dog on a leash and I ducked to the otherside of the pinnicle and took a cleansing breath as I found a good nut placement. My buds thought it went pretty fast, perhaps 35-45 min of climbing. That could be 'cause they were preoccupied. I was listening to them play grab ass like 2 young ferrets over there on the main cliff while I stared Death on a dark Stallion right in the eyes, full on Snaileye - bastards. LOL! Here's Ujahn while I try and sort gear, stack the rope into the pack, get organized, etc etc. Actually, I was happy not to be screwing up their day, as later when I was apologizing for doing the "ME ME ME ME thing, they told me that just watching me climb solo was a super thing for them as well, so it was a good thing all the way around. I had been dreaming and scheming on going to go up the right side, and hoping to plug a cam or something into that visible recess as that looked like the best side for pro. I evaluated it for a couple of min. from the pedestal there and was surprised to see that the left side was actually far superior. I clipped off the 2 Big Bros on a slung horn and leaving them dangling uselessly, continued up. I'll most likely come back and run up the right side next time when I'm belayed. Looks do-able for sure as long as you don't fall before you plug gear, cause even if you stuck the landing, it would hurt in bad places. Easy with nice feet here. Boffing it as a solo would really suck though. Money shot of the Witch, THIS IS WHY IT'S CALLED THE OLD WITCH. See her there? The mouth, tooth, nose etc etc ? OMG! OMG! Uhh Uhh UHHOOOO! ...sorry... Topping out. Plopped my ass down and draped a rap sling on her hair bun. We'll come back later and add a bolt so a sitting belay can be effected on Bewitched, and an extra ring and sling so that the belay holds up through the years for folks. It was insanely easier than I thought as well. Rappelled into the notch and was soon breathing easier. Wham bam ran up her. No bolts needed was a surprise as well. I'd been hoping for it and planning on it, but had clipped a 7mm tag line to my wide ass with the power drill on the other end ...just in case. I guess all the pants pissing sessions and stomach butterfly's were totally needless.....my Magic™ Fish brand™™ tie offs were amazing. I got the 2 larger ones on knobs. Did I tell ya that Fish Products Rules and how I came to own those ties offs? He made up some of these custom tie offs just for me for this area when I told him what I was up too. I think he didn't charge me either, just tossed them into a large order gratis. Here's what a large Magic™ Fish brand™™ tie off look like in use waiting to be clipped for protection. Oh, named it "Salethe Highway" for all the obvious reasons. In conversations with the bros, I used the word "Bewitched" in describing the strong attraction the Witch had on me. We all thought that would be a great name of the full length, full value route up the Witch buttress. Here's the view of the route from the 2nd pitch of Lava Tube when we were over there. In addition to a route up from Trench Warfare, (maybe 2) thinking a line in over to Salethe highway from Lava Tube would make for a full value 400 foot 5.7 knob slobbing ride unlike anything in the state. People who show up will be simultaneously freaking out and in love with her when they do these routes. Check it out, these are the lines I'm talkin' about! Big time moderates and real fun to climb. Lots of different body positions and balance issues. Challenging yet enjoyable. Read these words twice: she will take her place as the very most popular and most climbed of the elite group of major notable pinnacle climbs in Oregon. Sorry for all the pictures, but I thought that there should be as many pics as knobs and I just about have it there. All pictures Adam Winslow and Ujahn Davisson. Gear notes: 2 medium nuts, a Medium Metolius Supercam, 4 slings and/or Fish tie offs for knobs. 2 Ferrets or a Badger.

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Sorry Kevin, I don't mean to piss in your thread...it just seems so much like that old Saturday Night Live skit where the fat dudes sit around talking about Chicago sports. Instead of Daaa bears and Da Bulls, I'm seeing...Bea Con... Bea Con (like Da Bears) spoken like Chris Farley with a Chicago accent.[font:Arial Black] Beea Con[/font] Not funny? Only to me? OK I'll quit. But I'm still laughing.... That was some funny shit back then, and this so much reminds me of it.... [font:Arial Black] Da Warriors ...at Be... Con ! LOL[/font] sorry! but it's still funny.

I'm reading...... .....but I'm seeing "CLIMB YOUR 60 METERS AND STFU" I'll go with you on that.

did you tell them, "and take those damn sheep and velcro mitts with ya!" BTW, next time just say "Hi Dwayner" and back away slowly is good advice. LOL! Good luck:-)

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Yesterday in Iowa, sorry, no climbing to be had. Lots of big-assed corn though.

Daaaaa Bears!

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Ell it's 5pm in Iowa now and I'm on my 2nd. Guiness

Got to keep the lil pups on that conveyor belt eh?

Found online ad thought you could use some pointers on filling out little baby Bubbas report card comments section:-) "These are actual comments made on students' report cards by teachers in the New York City public school system. All teachers were reprimanded. 1. Since my last report, your child has reached rock bottom and has started to dig. 2. I would not allow this student to breed. 3. Your child has delusions of adequacy. 4. Your son is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot. 5. Your son sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them. 6. The student has a 'full six-pack' but lacks the plastic thing to hold it all together. 7. This child has been working with glue too much. 8. When your daughter's IQ reaches 50, she should sell. 9. The gates are down, the lights are flashing, but the train isn't coming. 10. If this student were any more stupid, he'd have to be watered twice a week. 11. It's impossible to believe the sperm that created this child beat out 1,000,000 others. 12. The wheel is turning but the hamster is definitely dead."

Isn't there more...? What about the slaying the dragons part and the Dread Pirate Roberts, comradeship, villains and fighting Rhous in the Fire Swamp grandpa? Nice cleanIng job. Fixed pro? Don't know about that, all the brand new shiny HB brass Offset nuts and such that Adam kept falling on were easily recovered with bent to shit wires.....thanks for that memory Arm Vein Boy:-). There was a single tiny RURP left behind as SOMEONE *cough* cough* left the funkness cable in the basement, and rather than beat the rock to get it out it Ujahn just left till we go back with a funkness and then it's just pop! out. He just stepped the 3' left and ended P1 at the Ground Zero anchor under that roof, you can see the slings in one of those pictures just above Adams head.Maybe, like a dawg peeing on a bush, we can leave this RURP to mark the territory? Adam can ask permission later since it's his. (spoken like Foghorn Leghorn)I say...I say...now Boy, now get your lazy ass out there and fill out the Fixed-Pro application.

kanye west would be happy to tell you i seem to recall it might have had something to do with the democratic party being for the civil rights movement when the repubs were bitterly opposed to it...the republican party later aggrresively calling for every drug dealer (black man in the projects) to be locked up the rest of his life while cutting social services for po'folk and taxes for whitey probably helped too Little known fact: when the republican Richard Nixon took office 70 percent of schools in the south were still segregated. Since I was in High school myself then, it seems like recent history. It was Nixon and his secretary of state, John Mitchell, who really finished tossing out the old south. That one thing being in his favor and being said: Nixon was a power hungry asswipe may he rot in hell for eternity. The fact that a decent political argument on the facts themselves can't stand alone anymore without an immediate racism debate flaring indicates to me that many of our countrymen and ourselves are still widely deceiving ourselves that race issues are/were solved and behind us. After all, we have a Black President. Done! Fixed! Over! Ta DA!!!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/pimp_hooker_catch_staff_Js4YPEcsCcxLZhAEehLhmL 3RD CATCH!HOW MY BITCHES GONNA GET SOME GOBMENT MONEY ??! _________________________________________________________________"By JEREMY OLSHANLast Updated: 12:41 PM, September 14, 2009Posted: 3:30 AM, September 14, 2009The scandal surrounding the left-wing activist organization ACORN has spread to New York, with employees at its Brooklyn office caught on video helping supposed ladies of the night get loans for their dream houses of ill repute. Rather than reminding the women that prostitution is dangerous and illegal and advising them to change their careers, counselors at the social-services group shockingly offer suggestions on how they can launder their earnings. "Honesty is not going to get you the house," a loan counselor at the offices told two activists posing as a mortgage-seeking pimp and prostitute. "You can't say what you do for a living." ACORN workers in two other cities, Baltimore and Washington, DC, had already fallen hooker, line and sinker for the hidden-camera sting operation by two conservative activists. Four ACORN employees have been fired as a result of the earlier videos, and last Friday the Census Bureau severed its ties with the group, whose members had been hired to do canvassing during the 2010 census. Mayor Bloomberg spoke out on the controversy today. "Prostitution is illegal in this state and I don't know why they would -- why an organization like ACORN, who's trying to encourage voter turnout and voter registration, why they're getting involved in any of that stuff," Bloomberg said. "But clearly it's not appropriate and they shouldn't have been doing it. Whether they broke a law or not I don't know. You'll have to talk to the legal (authorities)." The Brooklyn DA's office announced today it would be investigating the group. In an unrelated outrage, ACORN was accused of widespread voter fraud during the 2008 presidential election by helping unqualified voters to register. As in prior videos released by the filmmaking team of James O'Keefe, 25, and Hannah Giles, 20, employees of the group -- which specializes in housing and voter activism -- were eager to dispense advice on gaming the system and skirting the law. "You know, what goes on in the house we don't care," one counselor said. "We just help you with the mortgage." O'Keefe and Giles were garishly dressed as a stereotypical pimp and prostitute. O'Keefe was decked out in excessively snazzy flesh-peddler couture, and Giles, going by the name "Eden," wore almost nothing. The ACORN workers were not the slightest bit judgmental or put off by the request for help in getting financing for a brothel. Counselor Volda Albert freely offered financial advice. "I can't tell you don't do it, because you won't listen to me," Albert said. For tax and banking purposes, and to establish a legitimate income and credit history, Giles was told she needed to start saying she was a "freelancer." "Don't say that you're a prostitute thing or whatever," she said. Albert also suggested that Giles open two accounts at separate banks, depositing no more than $500 each a week to ensure few eyebrows are raised. As for the rest of the money she earned from turning tricks, Albert told her to hide it away. "When you buy the house with a back yard. You get a tin . . . and bury it down in there, and you put the money right in, and you put grass over it, and you don't tell a single soul but yourself where it is," she said. Albert even had advice on protecting O'Keefe from getting tied by authorities to Giles' prostitution. Her illegally obtained revenue could be given to O'Keefe through an intermediary, and then he could use it for a down payment on the house by applying for a "no doc" loan. In the earlier videos, counselors offered similar suggestions to a "prostitute," telling her to list her occupation as "performance artist," and even offering advice on how to claim as dependants underage girls recruited for the business. Milagros Rivera, the Brooklyn office administrator advised Giles, "don't get caught -- it's against the law what you are doing, and there's a chance you'll get caught." Before bidding them good luck, Albert offered two final suggestions. "Save for a rainy day," she said. "And live well." O'Keefe, who majored in philosophy at Rutgers University, said he and Giles funded the project themselves. This kind of undercover, guerrilla tactic is the "future of investigative journalism and political activism," he said. Inspired by "Rules for Radicals," Saul Alinsky's bible for rabble-rousing, more often associated with the left, O'Keefe said he has been targeting and exposing the "absurdities of the enemy by employing their own rules and language." "If you can make impossible demands on your enemy, you can destroy them," he said. So he began using a hidden camera "in a location I'd rather not disclose" and started visiting ACORN offices around the Northeast. As with a series of videos O'Keefe made in 2008, in which Planned Parenthood employees agreed to earmark his donations for the abortions of African-American babies, he said he expected ACORN would yield maybe "a few gotcha moments." "But we never imagined they would all comply -- it's just disgusting they didn't just throw us out of the office," he said. In a statement released Saturday, ACORN said that it could not defend the actions of its employees but that what O'Keefe and Giles did was criminal. "And, in fact, a crime it was -- our lawyers believe a felony -- and we will be taking legal action against Fox and their co-conspirators," the statement said. Fox News aired the Baltimore and Washington tapes. O'Keefe said, "ACORN wants it both ways." "You can't fire the employees and then say I have defamed them," he said. jeremy.olshan The scandal surrounding the left-wing activist organization ACORN has spread to New York, with employees at its Brooklyn office caught on video helping supposed ladies of the night get loans for their dream houses of ill repute.Rather than reminding the women that prostitution is dangerous and illegal and advising them to change their careers, counselors at the social-services group shockingly offer suggestions on how they can launder their earnings. "Honesty is not going to get you the house," a loan counselor at the offices told two activists posing as a mortgage-seeking pimp and prostitute."You can't say what you do for a living."ACORN workers in two other cities, Baltimore and Washington, DC, had already fallen hooker, line and sinker for the hidden-camera sting operation by two conservative activists.Four ACORN employees have been fired as a result of the earlier videos, and last Friday the Census Bureau severed its ties with the group, whose members had been hired to do canvassing during the 2010 census.Mayor Bloomberg spoke out on the controversy today."Prostitution is illegal in this state and I don't know why they would -- why an organization like ACORN, who's trying to encourage voter turnout and voter registration, why they're getting involved in any of that stuff," Bloomberg said. "But clearly it's not appropriate and they shouldn't have been doing it. Whether they broke a law or not I don't know. You'll have to talk to the legal (authorities)."The Brooklyn DA's office announced today it would be investigating the group.In an unrelated outrage, ACORN was accused of widespread voter fraud during the 2008 presidential election by helping unqualified voters to register.As in prior videos released by the filmmaking team of James O'Keefe, 25, and Hannah Giles, 20, employees of the group -- which specializes in housing and voter activism -- were eager to dispense advice on gaming the system and skirting the law."You know, what goes on in the house we don't care," one counselor said. "We just help you with the mortgage."O'Keefe and Giles were garishly dressed as a stereotypical pimp and prostitute. O'Keefe was decked out in excessively snazzy flesh-peddler couture, and Giles, going by the name "Eden," wore almost nothing.The ACORN workers were not the slightest bit judgmental or put off by the request for help in getting financing for a brothel.Counselor Volda Albert freely offered financial advice to the young couple, and held back on giving out any life advice. "

did you see the part where the "new" Bin Laden called it Iron? As a building contractor, they say he would have called it steel.

Castle Rock, Washington

Man that bites, but don't give up just yet. Dude may have been totally disoriented and wasted when he got down, and only realized that he owes you so big once he got back...maybe he's still good for it. People are good. (crossing fingers and holding breath here)

Do papercuts and ping pong accidents count cause if they do I'll be jumping in right here in a big way. Jus sayin'....

Tongue or no tongue?

Bin Laden dead since 2001? Pretty convincing story....

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