RuMR

fair enough... If bolting is not the "message" and the manner to which you are referring to in your post, perhaps you should put the reason out there OR say nothing at all...otherwise, i think most people will draw the same conclusions that i have...especially when the coincidence of his disappearing along w/ "Merv" and the fights w/ Lambone is pretty striking... when someone gets pulled, if you don't explain yourselves carefully, you give the impression that you'd better agree w/ the mods or you are gonna get the axe. If that's the way it is, then fine people will understand where they stand.

Can you give me one of his posts that illustrate this "manner"??? As opposed to his usual "i'll hunt you down and settle this w/ my fists" i thought he was exceptionally civil...

i disagree w/ his point... let me paraphrase what he said: I would like to see how climbers climbed before bolts. My counter was: They used bolts, rivets and pins (both permanent soft and removeable hard steel)...if anything climbing in the wilderness has gotten (well it could) cleaner now... For the record, i don't think there should be sport style climbing in the wilderness, whether its power or hand drilled Thread Drift: Caveman seemed to be going out of his way in his arguments to not be offensive and he used no name calling...banning him for this is not right

iazz...honestly, i was addressing whether i thought bolts (and power drills) were "radical"...not the legality of them...you can't argue that line as they are currently ILLEGAL, and i'm not arguing whether they are right or wrong...I just wouldn't call them radical...that's all...

harding put up the nose sans hilti before you started climbing...so what was your point?

an insignificant, but permanent, change does not qualify as "radical" in my book...

its not radical...not compared to sinking a well, or strip mining, or building a road or clear cutting half a mountain... In fact its just a use of resources...

whatever... this is a stupid thread...climb how you want...let others climb how they wish too and don't sweat it...

muff...no one said anything about not calling a spade a spade...don't be going out saying you hiked something onsight when you worked it into the ground...THAT'S BAD FORM/STYLE!!! and what i tell people my grade for my abilities is, is based on a consistent onsight level...and it does vary depending on the type of climbing...

you'll never get past 5.SUCK- hahahahaha

insert [clapping gremlin] very good fat grasshopper!

i don't think they can even rate a rope for your fat ass, bitch!! They tried it with one weight equivalent to a DFA and it broke the friggin' rig!

hmmm... hypothetical situation: Suppose the first time you get on a route, it just kicks yer fanny all over the place, i mean you can't even do all the moves...then, suppose you invest a little time and effort, maybe figure out what special info is required, maybe suss out a section that you can just barely barely, i mean by the skin of your teeth, do and only if you execute it flawlessly, then you try and try and try and finally succeed...ahhh that's totally a shitty style, i mean, suuuuuuuure, you were redlined at YOUR physical ability and it took every ounce of will to hang in there and keep chugging towards that far distant rest, but somehow (hypothetically, you pulled it off) you managed to succeed...NOW THAT IS REALLY SHITTY STYLE IN MY BOOK [iNSERT DRIPPING SARCASM HERE] Ok, now, again hypothetically, (cuz we all know that it would be "bad form" to lower your self to this poor style) you actually picked up some specialized technique and skills to apply to a crux that is probably only just a little bit easier, but on a route with much easier climbing to get to...hmmm, you flash the route...because of what you picked up by beating another route into the ground... OK...so that's all hypothetical, now the question is "Is this really a shitty style in the grand scheme of things?" I mean, hell, you just raised your climbing ability for onsight by a little bit...we want to do that, don't we????? Nah not really...we actually want to stay in the land of 5.SUCK+ and never actually get better...BUT, we are exhibiting max style!!!!! So its all good...

uhhhhbuzzoffpunter...

ok...everybody, repeat after me...."I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND" "I'M TOO FAT TO SEND"

sure dru...

in other words, set your sights low and consistently hit your mark...

too high of an impact force w/ both strands clipped...

you are right...it is bluewater and i made a mistake...it only passed the single and double not twin...

PUSH ME

its the dominator...

NOT ME!! DFA is the one complaining....he's gonna peel on his project (bunny face) cuz its too hot...

waaaahwaaaah i can't climb hard....waahaaaahwwhahaha...my fat rolls are sweaty and its greazin the grips....