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No, caveman, that isn't exactly true... I asked 2 serious questions first, which were ignored, then was referred to as a spoiled selfcentered child in my response to ashw and had stupid ass photos to refer to...From this point on, i reasoned that there was no discussion available, and my retort was then "fuck off"... As Paul put it, no one really disagrees w/ Merv's point about tat and qd's hanging all over the cliff being an eyesore...

How old are you? Would you like to contribute something other than your foul mouth to the subject? I'm 12...how old are you? my guess...93 sorry that's the best i could do...couldn't find any lame pics to post

you are a bonafide idiot and a master of hyperbole... again, go fuck off...

schweet...i'll cover my portion plus extra if it goes up... gonna be a dope weekend!

hey pope...how bout this for a >=0 contribution? Go fuck off...

another woman and her son are also interested in going...should i make another reservation? Bug, how many folks can fit on the site you reserved?

so tired...so tired out....so lame...need to find a photo to post...

Dwayner, a real question for you...please don't answer with sarcasm... Is there any place that it would be acceptable to bolt for sport climbing? and, please, spare me the response of "why of course, young laddie, the gym!!!" Or do you and your views hold sway, in your mind, over every single crag in the good ol' USA (i say your mind, cuz its not necessarily illegal everywhere)? whoops, snuck an extra question in...

Right, but we don't have rock cops, and there is no law specifically banning bolting/leaving quickdraws near Source Lake. Like dumping an old mattress at the park, however, it's just poor style. style, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder...its poor style to YOU...maybe not so for others, eh?

People hell-bent on bolting every cliff in the universe aren't going to listen to objections no matter what the tone. Let me ask you, Kurt, if somebody in your neighborhood was known for dumping trash down at the city park, what approach would you take? Would you ignore it? Would you politely remind them that their actions are not appropriate, then sit back to see if they alter their behavior? I don't think so. The only reasonable solution is to expose the culprits and keep the lights shining on their behavior until they're too embarassed to continue. you and dwayner, with his lame ass photo spreads, aren't going to embarass anybody...sorry 'bout that, alter-boy...

Very succinct and precisely put!

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Even cops admit this is a stupid law. Owning a gun makes you neither stupid nor smart. Just a bit safer when the looting starts when the big earthquake hits. why that's just plain stupid... stupid is as stupid does...

quit posting photos of yourself and relatives, prof. wank... Feel free to clip any draws you see hanging around...its playground equipment for the children...you see, we can't all be growed up like you, don...

Since its a stupid law will only stupid people have guns now?

dave page blows, ramuta basically will give you a brand new shoe with pretty good turnaround... ramuta is amazing...

I'm not sure about dates, but i believe scott franklin soloed survival of the fittest in the gunks before bachar soloed father figure? Again i'm not sure, but it was quite some time ago...

I've always read your "frontline" accounts with interest...interesting to see that you are conflicted... Watch yourself over there... Rudy

only if you are carrying a squid in your back pocket and its a monday

i don't think it does...a project is a project...i know guys that are seeking "redpoints" on their respective projects (whatever definition you choose) who hang draws on 11-'s and even 10's...i don't ever recall anyone saying "hey man, you didn't redpoint that route because the stuff was preplaced"... Hell, the previous "definition" from a couple of decades ago considered a YO-YO ascent a valid lead... My point, in my post, was that each individual should choose how they wish to climb a route and in whatever "style" they chose and be left alone and not hassled over it...

and so ash has spoken!! all hail ye you climb the way you want to, and others will do the same, mmmmkay?

trad climbing is too damn expensive...hahahaha someone just spent 50 bucks for a "bolt"!

I like this idea. maybe he'll treat us to a lecture on knot strength as he expires??

also, that 5.12 thing was pretty loose in spots, apparently... dude's sick...that's for sure...