RuMR

i'm a regular hubber... cheap, pile a ton o' folks in...hot shower in the morning...can't be beat...

hey man!! I heard bob wears bandanas like that crazy NOBBie guy...

i'll be yer bitch... then you can be mine...

that would be "know how hard core I am"...not knoe hoe... but hey...you got chicken right!!!

i think gw could only repeat wrong choice wrong time wrong war no matter what the question was...

actually i think she just misspelled "shelly" and wound up with "muffy"...

dru or scuzzy or catbirdseat can confirm this, i think, but gas doesn't affect nylon... probably still a good idea to keep it off of the runners though... I use plain gas, and then lube with pedro's...

If you want to discuss or critique the way it was done (method) and whether is was "clumsy", feel free to PM me. I was one of the 3 people who chopped it. That said, I think this is a distraction from what we are trying to discuss. I think Bug raises some important issues in his post above. We would benefit more from addressing and discussing those points than rehashing this one specific incident. ican't believe viktor actually put that in his route description...what a shame. the route was led on gear..i do recall that it had a few pitons, but perhaps it can protect with new widgets. the fact that remains is it was led with gear (preplaced or not, it takes gear). that picture of croft on airstream with bolts near some rp cracks is almost a shame...the crack looks like (to me) not very gear friendly unless you pound a piton. pitons damage rock like bolts..so there is not difference...that being said perhaps viktor's statement isn't that out of the playing field. the route probably needs a few bolts near wear pitons used to exhist, constituting a mixed lead.... omigod...is that the voice of reason!!!!

no...not really...what's your point?

doesn't he date some chick off this site?? Would she be able to clear up his dilema??

...and where are you stayin'...??

hey man...i'm goin to squish this weekend also...when are you goin'???

yup...super cool crew there...good folks...

You must be a soft cock sport climber.

come on...sweetie thinks its hot...

Pot, meet kettle. Don't you have a tree to go pee on? Thanks for proving my point d00d! You climbing 5.9 yet? hey bad ass...what if he doesn't climb 5.9???

i hate 38...but, hey, it serves a purpose...

naah way, robbob...you have to brag about picking up someone from this site...you know, peein' all over the tree and what not...

backcountry dog...you are spot on... that was my whole point in bringing up the european sport climbing venues...ie, I'd like to see Mr. Harpell hangdog those routes...it just doesn't happen unless you're in the mind set of multiple 50 footers or bigger...hardly what i'd call grid bolted even if they are "sport" routes...

here's me --> laughing at you --> ahhhh cube life!

60 degrees overhanging or more...the whole freakin way...

DFA, When you create a sport route, do you traditionally top rope it to set up the bolts and look for how you want to the route to go? not on steep routes like rifle or along the east coast, they are bolted ground up because they are too steep...