RuMR

i'm as pure as freshly fallen snow, then...

You 3rd-classed Brass Balls? How about down Canary? And Outerspace? How about all of this and more (30 pitches) before lunch one morning? Because if my "peers" are going to "convict" me, I should probably know who they are! i've never convicted you of anything other than being a dumbass... I didn't live here when i was young and stupid, so no, i didn't solo those particular routes...being young and stupid at one time in my life, i've soloed in that difficulty range on the east coast though...but bragging about soloing is totally ghey...its personal... so tell me stud, why don't you solo anymore????

soloing 5.10 in your youth is not the endall of anything...there are many on this site that have done that...

i love the story about Johnny Watermelon-Head climbing with a small tag line that he would use to pull up a drill to place bolts and then lower said drill back to the ground

then maybe you'll get some muscle on yer scrawny body...

Me too.....acutally pink (andrew) named me kevbone 15 years ago and most of my friends call me that. ...and here i thought it was "idiot pig-humper" all along!! silly me....

isn't "assault and battery" a forcible felony? Or is it degreed? ...ain't no lawyer, just askin'...

or ride sumpin' else?

HA!

OBVIOUSLY you didn't read the part about where to post your complaints...in another forum, double duh duh...

biannual tradition...didn't you read the welcome page to cc.com?duh duh dumbass...

by the same token, you can take a 5.10 hand crack and feel so incredibly secure and safe that gear is irrelevent, despite the fact that if you carried 30+ pieces, you could aid every stinkin' move...

hey wankslabmeister...ever climb at ceuse or buoux or verdon or any REAL sport climbing areas?? You'd be looking at 50-60 footers if you "climbed out of control"... this discussion is so myopic since your frame of reference appears to take junk like newhalem and exit 38 as the standard for sport climbing...

you obviously haven't climbed anything even remotely steep, say in the southeast, have you?? hahaha sport by definition top down! hahahaha...slab climbing pussy!!! hahahaha

So, Dwayner and pope are responsible for being deliberately inflammatory....I think the topic of bolts lends itself to argument and passionate opinions on all sides; especially because if some of us had our way, some of your "fun" might be curtailed. But let's take a look at some of the "civil" uninflammatory discourse offered by some of the other people participating in this topic, and then perhaps you can reassess whether we're the BIG culprits: "From moderator “Off-White” in addressing “dmuja”: For a born again wannabe dwayner-lite sycophant, you sure know how to be a sport climber…and it's so cute when you act all tough 'n sh*t…What a tool. “Kevbone”, addressing “JosephH”” What an assh*le……” "What does think he is f$%king Hitler? “high-on-rock” writes: “From the casual observer, what is lacking from Don Ryan and Pope is rationality and civility. Calling people Dorks and posting Pee Wee Herman photos lowers the level of discussion far below any level that educated folks want to partake.” NOTE: Read from the beginning of the topic to this point. The discussion from me was very civil and certainly rational from my perspective…no dorks…no Pee-Wee Herman…perhaps the only naughty thing I said up to this point was that calling sport-climbs “art” was conceited. Go ahead…check it out yourself…see who’s amping it up. More from “hign-on-rock”: “gotta tell you don, it blew me away to find out that you are actually an educated person.” “The sad part is that you are the only one who does not realize that the high horse has stumbled and you are falling.” “Give us your information Pope. Come on girlfriend, be brave." JayB joins the fray: “Bill - don't distract them. With every post you coax out of them you're depriving them of a morsel of time, energy, or concentration that they'll need so bring about the closure of all sport climbing areas in the Northwest.” Ken4ord contributes: “BTW poop….” Kevbone addressing “Puma”: “Another asinine comment…..” “Well…..tough sh*t…..” Dechristo chimes in: “what a dork” A few more Kevbonisms: “......you need to get your head examined.” “Wow......Pope.....that was a bitch slap if I ever saw one. Getting crushed at your own game.....wow!” “Oh man Pope......getting worked over eh?” RuMR: “Dwayner and his sidekick poop are all about themselves...only themselves...and they will couch their attitude in a "more ethically pure" bullsh*t frame.” “Come on, quit being a dick... f&ck, man, you and dwayner just make everything f&cking so black and white...get a f&ckin' life and take up a worthier cause...” “cue raindawg with a richard simmons circle jerk poster...” RichardNoggin: “YO POOP……get a life…STFU." “…too bad you cant see through your own sh*t”. More from “high-on-rock”: “The problem with Pope and Ryan is that they try to use the anonymity of the internet to be jerks without cost. No one has a problem with the views they put forth, merely with the junior high manner through which they put forth the views, and the “holier than thou” condescending tone they use. From here on out I believe I may send their identities by PM to folks upon whom they anonymously piss. Perhaps with a lack of anonymity comes accountability, and through accountability comes temperance.” Yup...it's all Dwayner and Pope...gettin' the folks all hot and bothered and MAKING THEM express the poetry cited above. Very nice review. Eight pages of "civil" and "educated" types like high_on_bolts making all kinds of insults and then admonishing you and me for being juvenile. Looks like they shut up for the moment....maybe they were just unaware of how nasty they were making the conversation! Sorry gang, I've been working all day. Is there anybody here who really wants to know (and doesn't already know) my name? Send me a PM and I'll tell you. But please don't spread my name around in full view on this board. II'd rather not have my real name appear in conjunction with all of the snotty, juvenile stuff (like that which Dwayner just posted), just in case somebody respectable happens to be reading this. Regarding JayB's question: there are two aspects of sport climbing that make it considerably differnt than traditional slab climbing. First, sport climbs are always established on rappel (by definition). ANYBODY can "pioneer" such a route. Zero commitment, zero balls, zero skill, zero judgement required. Stopping to place a bolt is done on the way down by locking off the rope. There is complete safety. There is zero adventure. Often the bolts (being so easy to place) are placed way too close together. Often the climbs (being so easy to establish) are squeezed way too close together. Now, after the first ascent, once a line of bolts exists (on a sport climb or on a traditional slab climb), is there a difference? Generally yes (but not always). Because the bolts on sport climbs tend to be so close together you CAN often aid from one bolt to the next, or at the very least, you can climb completely out of control, throwing yourself at each move (or sequence of two moves) between bolts as though it were a bouldering problem. Great fun! But if you take that approach on most traditional slab climbs, you're going to get spanked. Traditional slab climbing requires you honestly to be able to handle the climb's difficulties (or deal with huge falls). So, even after the route is established, there is an extremely important difference in the two approaches. somebody responsible? This is cascadeclimbers!

H.O.R. it goes both ways....

hey, how did your dad's photo get in here?

they should bolt that tour de france up with a nice, shiny row of bolts!

don't you mean hysterics?

cue raindawg with a richard simmons circle jerk poster...

I think the local "ethics" of the crag should dictate what happens there... ie, I'm not too concerned about that shitpile known as ex38...

Well, I believe a bolt was a good idea in that case. You're trying to promote this image of me as being "black and white" on the issue, opposed to every bolt. It ain't so. Bolts have a place, a proper place. That bolt on that route is in a proper place. And if you're not too old and fat, you should go do it. Then you'll agree, and you'll probably thank me not only for placing the bolt but for showing such great restraint and wisdom. And then I'll probably ask you to shut up and stick this in your mouth: no thanks, i just brushed my teeth and used another toothpick already (that looks like it might leave residue)...you should really go see someone about your "condition"...a shot of penicillan will do wonders... Seriously, the problem in your logic is you do accept bolts in some cases and in others not...the crux becomes, who draws this line and where is it drawn???? No one location/authority/person can do this and satisfy everyone...