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Yes. Of course. yeah carl, you're right...my bad...all of that money and resources is sooooo well spent there... tool...

520 actually has a lot of things going for it structurally...that little bridge is far exceeding what its designers anticipated...

OK, in case you're ignorant of this fact, climbing has traditions. These traditions dictate that climbing involves not only athletic ability and skill, but also boldness, adventure and respect for the medium. Turn your back on this and you'll lose what makes climbing special, what makes climbing different than Olympic-level competition in track or volleyball or synchronized swimming. Now, if you don't value boldness and tradition, but you still think scaling walls is "neato", then I suggest you stick to gym climbing and top-roping. Thereby can you remove ALL adventure and boldness from "climbing" and concentrate on perfecting your stupid little "project". I don't have a problem with this approach per se....it's when your bastardized form of climbing requires molesting our cliffs with a grid of bolts to accomodate your poor style that I have a problem. There you go folks, the only reasons to climb is for boldness and tradition. If you are climbing for any other reason then you have bastardized the whole sport of climbing. You might as well take up sycronized swimming. So what about mountain biking, isn't that a bastardization the sport of cycling? Ah the shame. Gawd damn why did ruin golf by making these damned groomed course everywhere? Didn't they realized that golf was to be played in the rough? The list goes on and on. Sports evolve, not that evolution is always a good thing. Seriously man, I agree with you on some points when it comes to bolting and find overbolting quite rediculus at times. Though, when you start spewing about what climbing is to you and make blanket statements that other aspects of climbing are for sissy's and gym weenies that don't have any values. Then it just makes you sound like one of those right-wingnut narrow minded christian fucks who can't seem to understand there is more than one belief system to live life by. Yeah I think it is crap to stick BoLT's on every little piece-o-shit crag everywhere, but I can step off the soap box and understand why they want their BoLT's and accept they don't appreciate climbing for the same reasons I do. Just because they don't appreciate climbing for the same reasons I do, doesn't illegitimze what they consider climbing. As long you can't get beyond that you will never make a change in bolting ethics, you'll just keep the fight going and get nowhere. ...and nevermind the fact that he's looking at an enormous fall if he blows it...yeah, those pesty finger cracks are soooo much more adventurous/dangerous...

its the same stuff that is used to form the underwire in bras...memory alloy...nitinal...amazing stuff...

hey dwayner... about that lil' wager we had several years back that you wisely decided to ignore...I still got the mula in the kitty...what say you?????

Mediocrity is available to any trustafarian with the inclination. OH...I SEE...its the people who are blessed that get to do this...not the ones who've said "fuck everything, i'm going climbing"... you are an idiot...and of course, had you been granted unlimited resources, you could've attained sharma's level of mediocrity!

oh...and fuck bush...the amount of money that fucking dipshit is currently pouring into that sandheap could totally retrofit/rebuild OUR OWN damn infrastructure instead of shit that will just get torn down or blown up by some stupid camel jockey...that fuckin' tool (bush, not the camel jockey, actually, scratch that, it applies to both)...

heat is not usually a problem...the bearings were apparently shot though, so maybe "expansion" was blocked up and inducing more compression causing a buckling...probably not though...extremely unlikely...

devalve? you mean devolve? Or do you have someone "devalve" you? (Which sounds like fun, by the way) gawd, i love "muffyisms"

flexon frames.... completely INDESTRUCTIBLE

dwayner is a bitter old fool...he actually probably cares more about this ascent than most do...in a negative way, of course...

US OLD FOGIES ARE GONNA GET PWN'D funny thread...

precisely, and they sometimes blow out...except when a bridge goes, the fatalities are higher...

Tom Everett of the Federal Highway Administration's National Bridge Inspection Program said the structurally deficient rating was a "programatic classification rather than an indication of safety." "It does not indicate a bridge is dangerous or that that bridge must be replaced," Okaaaaaayyyy... This bridge isn't unsafe, it's just 'structurally deficient'. Say that just before it collapses. my point is that there are many many bridges out there that carry that "rating". And the general public drives over them willy-nilly, then bitches about every damn tax that is earmarked for transportation to FIX them. Then, when they fall down, they point and say "why the hell wasn't this fixed"... BTW...if you feel this way, don't park under the viaduct, or drive on it, or be anywhere near it...mmmmkay?

Tom Everett of the Federal Highway Administration's National Bridge Inspection Program said the structurally deficient rating was a "programatic classification rather than an indication of safety." "It does not indicate a bridge is dangerous or that that bridge must be replaced,"

shitty detailing causes members to be prone to fatigue...notches, certain welding details, etc. are "start" points for cracks... bad steel can be sensitive to fatigue...its a combination of many things...none of which are apparent when the structure is "new"...all newer designs have fairly stringent charpy tests for members that are deemed "fracture critical"...and stress ranges are kept very low in fatigue-sensitve details.

how many times you gonna mention girth? or should i say, lack of girth? also, you stylin' the ghey cowboy vest for full effect?

Rudy - what's the engineering perspective? Was this your firm's? actually bob, the industry is taking this very seriously...there are few structural, very few, structural failures...but even a few are a few too many...it makes me sick to my stomach I'm completely speculating, but my money is on a fatigue issue...only way to explain forty years of service with a sudden catastrophic failure. and no, neither this office, nor any other of my firm's offices were involved with the original design or any subsequent retrofit efforts.

go ahead and try to get more money to fix them... or better yet, try tolling them to get them fixed... structurally deficient is an "interesting" term... The FHWA termed it as needing eventual replacement, yet somehow, i didn't see them helping to foot the bill

i'm still in the closet...if i come out, i'll be sure to give you a ring...

i tell ALL the girls that...

please don't rush back...take your time...lotsa it...

and more importantly, who cares?

just think, you've got another 15 lbs of fatty flab above your neck that you could chop quickly...