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I think truther man might need to learn how to read more better

i am happy and horny. i think one will increas if I do something about the other

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That was just a front. isn't it always though? i love it when i can get to the essence of a man. bring out his real personality.

Anyone have that Mufflish > English dictionary handy? Uhm, the approach to Givler's is less than 1/2 a mile. One aspect of climbing you may not be aware of is that, if you're going to be a wind bag, it pays to know what you're talking about. For example, if you're going to pontificate about how 'gym climbers' can't find their way out of a paper bag or how little they know about climbing, it might help to be able to navigate a few hundred yards to a 5.7 (dificult) climb that is fully visible from the road. Just a suggestion...hunny. i never said I could navigate any thing i never claimed to be an expert on anything, except my oppinion. dear god is it realy only 1/2 a mile. I was sure someone told me it was 2 miles. but i don't own a washington guide book. it is certinly farther than from my car to the plastic. oh look you called my hunny you must be starting to like me

Sounds yummy. archie you made my whole day

I think it's mostly the people who work there. They suck. I think you suck. My response to people who say that gyms leave "climbers" (indoor or other types) unprepared for the outdoors, is that (I can only speak for myself here) classes are alway prefaced with an emphasis that what will be taught that night is exclusive to that gym. I mention that other gyms have different poicies and that the out-of-doors is an entirely different arena because it is impossible to teach (in the gym) rock quality, bolt quality, bolt intervals, route-finding, anchor-building and all the difficulties assiciated therein. It is then in my mind that all the new folks fucking up out there (in assumption that they learned in a gym and run outside thinking it's the same) are doing it after being warned that it is different. I'm sure there are some instructors at some gyms who don't go over why learning in a gym doesn't prepare someone for climbing outdoors, but they're douches. Sorry, I take this part very personally because I take a lot of pride in the classes I teach. One of them is a long class (16 sessions) during which the students learn technique, indoor leading and get an intro to what makes a good anchor so they understand why a sport anchor is safe and an intro to rapelling. I recently ran into a former student of mine from this class climbing with another friend outside and the friend said the student was one of the most prepared folks to come out of a gym; she was asking interesting questions that were relevant to switching from the gym setting to the outdoor world like "this hanger is spinning, is that still safe?" and "Is this hold in?". It made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I helped set this student up to do everything she could in a gym and then be a good partner for someone more experienced to climb outdoors with. holy shit that was longer than i meant it to be, and i haven't even had my coffee yet. it sounds like you teach a very thorough class to those who can aford it and want to take the class. bottom line is none of us can stop people from climbing who are illprepared. all we can try to do is help them out as much as we can when we come across them.

many schools also offer climbing walls in their Gyms as an activity both after school and durring gym class. I have taught one such program several years ago. it was fun for the kids and i had a great time. HOWEVER, i am chosing to teach my children to climb myself. they have participated in the gym's climbing for kids program as my ex husband taught there for 3 years. and they did learn to get of the ground. both my boys parents climb and they have good grasp on the safty issues at hand. they did not learn that at the gym, the learned that from thier parents. kids are great climbers. they are monkeys and fearless and really fun to watch and learn from. they pull of more crazy things than any adult would becuase they are not affraid to try. climbing plastic is one thing. climbing outside is something else. what i mean by this is that climbing outside involves learning things you can not learn in the gym.

This self parody comes complete with batteries...no assembly required. you know Givlers dome isn't a really hard climb for most people. it's an easy walk up. however after humping my 20lb pack 2 miles, i was glad i had plenty of water and a little snacky before i headed up. I have been up there 2 times. the first time we got totaly lost ( I claim innocnesce as i know i am directionaly challenged) and were unable to climb. The second time i went with someone who had been there before and it was a great day. I think, hunny, that in trying to piss me off you are just not making sense. I don't claim to climb hard. i never have and i never will, but i am aware of many aspects of climbing. My view and my experiences are not narrow. yours however, are.

is the confrence like a support group to stop starving themselves to death? the anorexia and bulimic blogs freak me out cus they talk about better ways to starve to death.

I don't know anyone anywhere but here in Eugene. my best sugestion is just start going to see people. you dont have to marry them. I have seen upwords of like 5 maybe 6 differnt theripists. i saw them for a while and then move on to someone else. it is kinda like starting over agian but you get good at giving your run down. I finaly found the perfect theripist about 9 years ago. she booted me though cus we got to the point where i didn't need therapy as much. i still check in with her from time to time it's like my 30,000 mile check up other things to try yoga or thi chi massage meditaion i do most of those things to one degree or other. they keep me grounded and the only way i know how to describe it is "inside my body" it's like anythign else. the only way to get better at it is to practice. you learn new skills find ways to cope and do the best you can. be kind to yourself. no one is perfect, we all have our little challenges

I hate the gym. i don't have fun there. I don't enjoy the scene there. the majority of people who climb there are significantly younger than i am and seem to be pushing the numbers or chilling on the mats talking about mid terms. i go there only out of sheer desperation to get off the ground. it is to me a different kind of sport. it isn't dangerous and it gives people a false sense of security to think that they "know" how to climb but know NOTHING about building an anchor, how to read a topo, how to judge a pitch length, how to place gear, what gear is, what kind of energy it takes to hike 2 miles (or whatever) in to a dificult climb and then climb it. I could go on and on but i hope you are catching my drift here. I thik more people get hurt because they are unprepared and ill equiped by thier gym training to climb safely outside. that being said, if i am to climb with a noob i often send them to the gym to learn to belay. but thats it. it is a great place to learn to climb PLASTIC and to learn to belay on top rope. I know you can "lead sport" in the gym but again, the climbs are not long enough to give any real idea of what climbig outside is like. there is so much more to climbing than just going up.

xoxooxoxoxox thank you archie!! it was an awsome class and sooooo good to get back in the gym again. i had not lost near the flexablity i was afraid i had.

Try having a climbing gym at your school - everyone who gets on a couple holds says the sport is easy. Or when you mention to someone at a party that you climb and they talk about how they've climbed in a gym. I used to care - but to each their own. Plus, I run too much to be considered a true climber, so who am I to judge anyone? i don't know that i judge so much as i find it amusing. and i certinly don't argue with them. in my never to be humble oppinion if you are not outside then it's not really climbing, you are working out. not a bad thing to do to pass the time and it certinly takes skill and streangth, but you don't take your life in your own hands on any level and that is my definintion of "climber"

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i am a master of the double entendre or as my friend in high school called them the "sexual in your window" Is this the real Muffy? A 3 syllable french word that isn't mispelled! Amazin..... i do at times chose to use spell check now. it helps me seem more professional. although at work i don't have the time edit, i mean i don't have time to spell check what i post. goofballs

i am looking for a sustainable calorie intake to exercise quotient.i need to have treats SOMETIMES, but i am in need of creating some ballence in my life. speaking off... off to my first yoga class since i broke myself.

petey I think that is a great idea can we go for 8 weeks instead?? i don't mind if it is public. that might shame me into stopping with the icecream and onion rings

are we really going to do this. cus i need to drop at least 10 and really would love to drop 15, i could use a support group of sorts.

i was indeed reading and posting here to find some help. I have been struggling with my weight (more than usual) becuase i quit smoking. breaking my foot didn't help. i will be sure to use other resources in the future. thank you for letting me know what is acceptable for me here, vs John and other people on other threds. it was not my intention to derail the conversation but to contibute and to learn.

there i went and got the bottle and fixed the spelling.. happy now?

lorazepam. i love that stuff so much. i do well in places i have been before. i look at it this way. there are 3 elements that freak me out: new place new activity new people so if i can mitigate that by having one or better yet 2 things that are not new i am in great shape. i can not go places with people who will leave me, or not be where they said they would be. I have a travel buddy, and when i go places with her i am totally okay because i know she will not leave me and if anyone tried to hurt me or fuck with me she would take them out (she is rougher and tougher than i am) somehow having a cell phone has helped. if i know i can call someone i know is safe i am okay. therapy helped a lot and so did getting on the correct medication for bi polar disorder. but for reals after Thing 1 was born i didn't really leave the house much for 4 years. i went to the store and to my moms but i couldn't even take him to the park to feed the ducks. that was what finally got me headed back to counseling. the mild agoraphobia was exacerbated by sever depression.

i am a master of the double entendre or as my friend in high school called them the "sexual in your window"

what secret?