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So, I take it you haven't been to the Fire Wall yet Rudy? Good projects there for the offspring. Don't confuse it with Fun Rock or Goat Wall, its not the same thing.

That's pretty cool Wayne, I've been curious about your projects since we discussed your job at Ski-In, it's great to have some visuals to go with the conversation. So the guy stripping forms, dropped his 2x4 down between the wall and panel. Did that just fall out the bottom and plummet 14 floors? How often do things (tools and such) get dropped from up there?

Funny Fairweather, but I thought you'd be in perfect agreement - I bet you're glad he doesn't have your kids or your life either, right? So what's the big deal?

Here it is yesterday, cairn on the left. Strangely, this stretch of road bed was the best we'd seen since the old parking area. Here's the wash. As I said, not subtle. At least there's something fun on the far side of all that work.

I think you guys just didn't go quite far enough. The key seemed to be go as far as you can possibly stand it, then continue for five more minutes. Culvert schmulvert, the real identifier is the large white granite wash you cross just before the trail, there's nothing else like it on the approach and you get a clear view up the gully past some slabs to the top of Static Peak. Just 50' on the far side of it you'll find the culvert, cairn, and some flagging tape that will get you started up the trail. The lovely but steep trail up the hill has some blowdown issues down low, a few pieces of flagging, and seems to be slowly losing ground, but underneath the canopy things don't change nearly as fast as when you open things up like the old road bed. The bush thrash from the old parking boulders was pretty harsh, stunning to think I've driven that in the past. Using the Skoog bushwack rating system I'd give it a BW3+, and far worse than any other Washington crag approach I've done, including Comb Buttress and Dreamer in Darrington. I'll post a couple pics after I get them out of the little digital box.

They are distinctly smaller than a Vanagon, I can see it working as a Fern camper but two of me might find it a wee bit cramped. Under 10 grand though? There's a lot to like about that.

Ahh, I missed the line in your earlier post (which you graciously quoted for me) and now I understand the omission. I'm pretty much all those things you called Pope, and my charmingly antiquated ice gear reflects it. I'm afraid the last generation hummingbird (angled pick, never liked the tubular ones) and footfangs were the last tools I bought, and I don't think I've used either in well over a decade. I think I pretty much dropped the ice thing, which I was never very good at anyway, when I took up snowboarding, which makes me laugh as much as anything I do. I must confess though that your tales of an old guy with new toys does make me twitch just a little bit.

Are they going to rename it the 787 Scabliner?

Dane, there's a glaring Lowe hole in your collection. Nothing in the Hummingbird/Footfang department?

Then today would be the one after 9/09... [video:youtube]

"mountain grammar police"

I prefer my Metallica reinterpreted... [video:youtube] [video:youtube]

When you were climbing in the Valley I'm pretty sure camalots hadn't been invented yet. Oh, I'm pretty sure they were invented before last June, foo. Thanks Bill, but it was brand new, no dinged up wobbler, and I know Pete wouldn't be stealing shit out of people's packs.

I "lost" a #5 camalot at the base of El Cap, but it was in my pack, not dropped.

Tom, thanks for chiming in. I'd like to remind everyone that this is a TR, and as such you should all be polite and respectful, even when disagreeing.

Perhaps the CBR route should be renamed "Tempest In A Teapot"?

I'm curious about regional precedent. Dane, were the things you renamed on Chimney Rock? Era-wise, that was closer to Astroman than the present day, right? How many aid routes at Index have been renamed when they were freed? City Park springs to mind as a notable ascent where the route was not renamed. It doesn't seem like alpine routes in Washington have been renamed when bits of aid have been freed, can anyone think of any examples where that's happened? I don't think anything on the Liberty Bell group got renamed, Liberty Crack and Thin Red Line spring to mind as examples of no name change. Haven't most of the newly named El Cap free routes involved combinations and variations? El Nino doesn't fully follow the NA Wall line. Golden Gate is part Salathe, part Heart, and part something new. Secret Passage is part Eagles Way, part Bad To The Bone, and partly new. Excalibur follows the original line, and it didn't get renamed.

Rad, I'm not sure that "bolts on the roof pitch" were ever more than speculation, at least I never heard of any confirmed sightings.

I assume this is about someone wanting to rename the Tempest Wall on CBR after freeing the roof pitch? Precedent runs both ways out in the world (Astroman anyone?) but on the balance I don't think things in the Cascades get renamed when someone frees them, especially if its an alpine route that follows the same line. I'm sure someone can come up with the exception to that idea though... BTW, this is not intended to make light of Tom's efforts, that's a pretty proud send by local alpine standards.

Here's a link to a thread on this board about the route and the 1991 accident. It happened up where you descend from the arete onto the glacier (rappel I think), and serac fall from higher up buried Gary Gray in the moat while his partner Kurt, who I think scrambled higher up on the arete, was injured. You won't want to tarry at that location, but the rock portion sounds good.

Hear hear! Without photos, this thread is totally invalid.

There are a number of bits of granite on my property in Tenino that have no business being here, but it seems like I read somewhere that my hill is a terminal moraine. There's plenty of granite in the alluvial outwash around here too, including a delightful white granite boulder in the parking lot of a gravel quarry nearby.

KK, did I miss the post where you apologize to Bill Coe when it turns out the "hypothetical family" you accuse him of manufacturing is actually his own experience? So, as a comparison, the entire annual budget for the National Parks is the equivalent of 8 DAYS of the Iraq war. And that's using a relatively conservative cost estimate ( citation). How about we just take a week off over there and make the National Parks free for everyone for a year?

what, like "punk punk punk"?