Off_White

quote: Originally posted by trask: more like wisdom from Master Bater Practice makes perfect.

Man, you've got to start looking for that gris-gris voodoo curse someone hid in the bottom of your pack. Probably looks like some greasy bit of snafflehound hair tied up in a bundle with a fine ribbon of horsecock wrapper. [ 07-12-2002, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Off White ]

The mention of Tahquitz brought to mind that old vintage route, "From Bad Traverse."

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Anyone that thinks they can tell me what to do or say is dumb. If they are not bigger than me they are even dumber. Back to spray and more slander. Man this shit rules! Didn't you lose this avatar for awhile for excessive spray and had to be plain old Ray Borbon? Ever been pulled over by a cop? Ever wait in line to get something you want? Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you what to do or say just observing that we all sometimes accommodate others even if we don't really want to...

Spider would seem to be a contender. If you're counting approaches, the north side of SE Peak Bonanza is one, its one of those talus fields where everything moves, and a report on this website stated that the Soviet Route right above this field was choss city. North Face of Booker.

oooh, that bit about "ever see a post STARTED by sk?" that someone flung must have stung! I think what your posse really wants anyway is pictures...

Well that's good news. I'm not familiar with Gunstone, but I've liked Whitelaw's guidebooks in the past. Smoot seems, well, inadequate with regards to Darrington and just doesn't have the passion to get it right, as was made clear with a recent comparison to your online topo work.

Okay, it doesn't exist, But really, doesn't it sound like a good idea?

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quote: Originally posted by Beckey: Emails only. Send it to fwbeckey@yahoo.com Thank you Good beta guys, but the way I read FB's message suggests you oughta send it via email and that he won't be riding herd on this thread to collect info, since like as not it will straggle off into discussions of large sausages and sexual habits. Its cute to see that Fred will use an emoticon though... [ 07-11-2002, 07:37 AM: Message edited by: Off White ]

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Why not send your info to Fred Beckey Hear hear! I was climbing at Darrington last weekend, using mattp's excellent topos, and was reflecting on the inferior info in the Smoot book I borrowed from someone at the base. It seems to me that the all-in-one guide for this state can't really be done by one person, its just too much stuff. You might be able to pull it off it someone was the editor and had different authors for different crags, because a great guide requires both intimate knowledge and a genuine passion for the area. This led me to thinking that Mr. Perkins needs to finish a set of topos for all of Darrington. What do you say Matt, need a little project for all your spare time? Anyway, the way this all connects to Caveman's last post, was that I wound up reflecting on who will take Fred's place? Now, I don't know Jeff Smoot, and I'm not slamming the man, but I think he would like to be it, and I'm just not sure he has the resume for the job. Nelson and Potterfield have churned out a nice couple volumes, but those books in no way replace the encyclopedic splendor of the three volume bible, and in fact I think they've done for a fistful of climbs what Fifty Crowded Climbs did for the likes of Liberty Ridge and West Ridge of Forbidden. I don't have an answer, just a mild free floating anxiety...

No Dru, Off White. I just knew you were out there and couldn't resist a good straght line when it was handed to you.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W:

Dennis: I had a negative reaction to you from the start of your diatribe against Gen-X and such, then realized I was pegging you for a racist prick, when in fact you had said no such thing, and I decided I was out of line for tarring you with that brush, and decided to cut you some slack. Well, thanks for showing your true colors, now its time to pile on the chicken feathers and boot your sorry ass out of town. I don't really care if you get banned, I'll simply ingore your every post, since that's the worst thing that can happen to such a self-inflated asshole.

You just have to pass the entrance exam: 1: You're walking through the woods, and a lumberjack jumps on your back. Do you: A: Leave him there B: Beat him off Dennis will be in charge of the physical exam.

Boy are you gonna be happy. Here's a link to new ones from C&S Engineering, $15 a pair. C&S Engineering Sale Page I've got a pair that I haven't used much, but I keep imagining I'm going to...

Well, having read Baker-Snoqualamie's faq on the NW Forest Pass, I sent them some questions (pasted below). I'll let ya'll know what I hear back. Regarding your page at http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mbs/nwpass/nwfp_q_a.htm I have a few questions you did not ask or provide answers for in your FAQ: 1: Do you in fact count every pass purchased as an endorsement of the fee demo program? This is widely bandied about as fact, and you need to address it. If you don't, I can only assume that you are in fact engaged in this fraudulent statistical game. 2: Are educational or spiritual uses of of the national forests exempt from user fees? If so, how does one establish this exemption? 3: If the Forest Service collects fees from logging and mining users, why are these fees often insufficient to cover costs? The Forest Service is widely perceived as providing industrial subsidies in the form of money losing timber sales and below market value land leases. Your statement in the FAQ that all users are charged fees disingenuously evades answering the real question, why aren't the profit making high impact uses of the National Forests charged enough to cover costs in all cases? If you are going to assert that the NFS never loses money in timber sales, you must provide credible documentation rather than a bland unsupported assertion.

I haven't done it, but I share your curiousity. I do know from some brief research that the road doesn't go as far as my one-printing-older Olympics guide says, the last spur has been abandoned. It will be lonelier over on that side, and thats a big plus.

quote: Originally posted by Retrosaurus: You reek of moral-relativism. Well, that all depends on how you look at it....

I'm with ya on this Dru, I can't seem to recall the post in question, perhaps it was from that night Harmon was too drunk to log off.... And I don't think there has been anyone who has defended scotti's comments, just those who have asked whether one colossal offensive post is grounds for forcible ejection. But you have my sympathies, you must be shattered to have lost Mr. Harmon's fine regard.

Next time, I think a really large dose of sedatives might solve the problem for all of us....

Oh, you mean thats not actually a picture of erik? I'm crushed.

I dunno TG, for me I find soloing much less interesting than having company. I tend to be pretty easy going, perhaps to a fault, so I've never had any blowups with partners, and I tend to be satisfied with whatever I get. Over the years I've also been pretty selective about who I climb with, particularly in an alpine or long trip setting. I guess thats my way of looking out for the safety and compatibility issues, because you really need a partner who will keep it together and do the right thing if the shit hits the fan. I've had the same primary partner for the last 24 years, but of late he's drifted away from climbing and totally abandonded the alpine game. We tend to do a lot more snowboarding than climbing of late, and I've been getting restless. I've got another friend I get out with on an occasional basis, but he's a much higher caliber climber than I am so I tend to feel a little guilty about not doing my full share, even though he doesn't even seem to notice. Anyway, as I vaguely fumble about looking for new playmates I can only hope to evade your dilemma, or worse yet, being the offending individual in that situation.

Geez Mr Moon, it doesn't seem quote: Originally posted by Eric L Moon: as if you are in the inner clique me either, but don't get your knickers in a twist. I figure you get what you pay for, and this site is quite a bargain.

I gotta vote with RURP on this. I don't think forcible expulsion is the answer, but there's really nothing defensible about what you said, Scott. I suspect all the heat you draw is making you act like someone you're not really fond of. Hey RURP, missed you at Pub last night, or did I......?