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It's from that tour (a German show), though I don't know that Fripp is on guitar in this video. I saw that one down in San Diego in the same era, at the California Theater, it was indeed fantastic.

The Burgermeister, of course [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eItYSfMgrQU A little prog for Mr Puget, eh?

I love the way Stevens and his lawyers try to spin the news, that the "cloud is lifted." Nowhere does Holder suggest that Stevens is innocent, only that the prosecutors didn't disclose things they ought to. This kind of misconduct is all too common, but this trial is just big money high profile enough to not be able to get away with it this time. Ted Stevens is still a corrupt weasel, good riddance.

Yeah, the Jones Quarry on Black Lake is both choss squared and very active. The old quarry at Skookumchuck Lake is also active and all those old routes are blown up and in someone's yard or bulkhead.

It is now, seeing as how we've drifted pretty far off the OP's original innocent query.

Pick whichever you'll actually wear, as opposed to leaving it in the pack, the car, the closet...

Whoa, holy Muffy sighting! It must be spring!

Your 17th birthday for how many years now? Hope you have another great year

My USPS packages always wind up getting picked up at the PO because my subcontractor rural mail carrier is too damn lazy to come all the way up my driveway. I've suggested a new motto for them: The United States Postal Service: WE DON'T MAKE HOUSECALLS! We get other people's mail on a weekly basis, and I've had several checks either never arrive or wind up at someone else's house. This is due to the wonders of privatization: low bidder contract work. The Federal employees at my local Post Office are ultra excellent and I've never had issues with my PO Box (which is used for business). I've been contemplating just stopping the home mail delivery entirely and having it all go to the PO. Since you can't see my house from the street, and the UPS and FedEx drivers all know us, so that sort of package theft hasn't been an issue. Travel is a different story though, either TSA or Alaska Airlines baggage handlers stole about $350 worth of stuff from my last checked airline baggage. I also found out that Alaska Airlines exempts itself from liability for anything anyone might want to steal. Rat bastards.

Oh, I bet you guys would have fun, it'd make a great youtube video. The abrasive jerks around here always seem to be fine people in person. I've even heard that Pink is alright...

Yeah, I was just reflecting on what an oxymoron "Olympia Bouldering" is. You might try the sandstone blocks on the old steam plant on Capitol Lake, you'll find the stone familiar. BITD we could even put a top rope on that thing, though I don't know that this more paranoid age would accept that.

It is, and historically he's asked that his real world and this one not be visually connected. I'm assuming a polite request from him to any picture posters would be respected.

Fred is still in the climbing game to the best of his abilities, while ol' Yvon just surfs and fly fishes and bitches about climbers.

yes

MF'ing 206er

No, the one I have is by Dave Kennedy and covers much of the county. That one you found on Amazon is news to me, kind of funny to slice the game that thin that you have a separate guide for "sport routes and top ropes" but I suppose it isn't anything that Raindawg hasn't predicted. If you're just going to The Gorge and Santee, Messier's pdf guides will do you fine, they're well enough done. I do think they predate his meltdown, you can find ample threads about that on that San Diego Climbing site and RC.com if that sort of thing entertains you. If you want to go to Woodson (highly recommended btw) you'll want something comprehensive and printed; it's a big hill and route locations can be rather convoluted. Paul, I think I'll be in town Sunday evening, I'll do the PM thing with specifics.

Doing anything but the trade routes in Zion for a first wall is a reasonably bold proposition, thanks for the TR.

That's from the new Sears catalog isn't it, part of their struggle to adapt to the modern marketplace? There's something about the needle placement, which is the same in both clean and stained bra photos, that just screams "Art Director."

That free guide is alright, though the author, Art Messier, is the wack job who's been chopping other peoples routes and engaged in assorted other thievery and vandalism. He's a rap bolter himself, and has retrobolted and renamed a number of routes at Mission Gorge, so it's not an ethical crusade, but rather some manifestation of psychosis. As an alternative, Chris Hubbard has a bunch of free topos available here though they tend to be more artsy, watercolors and such, and not as informative as Art's work. Those pdf guides of Art's had disappeared from the web for awhile, anyone interested should download and cache a copy while they can.

Well Serenity, let's create a little scenario, shall we? Let's say you're taken prisoner by a couple of Hungarians who trade you in for a bounty from a country you may not have been all that fond of to begin with, maybe France? Those Hungarians claim they saw you talking to a guy who tried to cut the toe off a DeGaulle statue with a hacksaw. So, the French secretly lock you up for years without any charges or opportunity to defend yourself in a court of law. They torment you with cold, sleep interruptions, throw your MMA scrapbook full of autographed photos in the toilet, and blast high decibel Maurice Chevalier at you 24 hours a day. Lets say they do this for four years, then decide to release you back to the US, hoping you'll be put into the Federal Pen on their say-so. Lucky for you, Bush was still president, and he wasn't all that fond of the French either, so they let you go. Do you think you might now have an axe to grind against the country that ruined your life, locked you up while your wife married some other guy and disappeared with your child while no one had any idea where you went? Hell, even if you had been childhood friends with that guy with the hacksaw, I bet you'd want to make those French bastards pay. As posited, Gitmo is a great recruitment tool. If they weren't our sworn enemy before we locked them up without charges for years on the uncorroborated evidence of random scumbags and tortured them, odds are they're our enemies now. Abandoning our principles, we have done great harm to ourselves. Hell yes close Gitmo now.

Werner's book is well over 30 years old, more of a collector's item than a current guide. I've got a San Diego County guide from just a few years back if you want to borrow one Paul. I can always ship it to you, though I might be in your town within a week or so.

thanks for saving that Mark, the cheap asshole deleted his posting by the time I got around to looking at it.

A cursory reading suggests that JMO is trying to have a civil political debate, the kind where you read and consider what someone else has posted, rebut their positions and acknowledge their points.

Yes, I've seen their plywood cams. I thought they had used them on the wide pitch on Ixtlan, but it turns out Jorge used scissors jacks and and wood blocks (according to the guide book) to aid that nasty thing. The plywood cams were pretty cool though.

Is this the bit about the Brit complaining that his presents just weren't special enough?