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All the info is in that link, one of the better written and most informative reports I've seen on an accident, complete with introspection on risk. I've always enjoyed Monte's posts, and Curt's name is familiar, I'm sure he's friends of friends and only one degree of separation away from me. Big props to the four climbers who provided immediate care and assistance. Good luck Curt.

When are you two going to meet in the middle for the big posedown in Tenino? I know we could sell tickets and raise some bucks for the Index purchase...

That's a kickass mother

How about when people call you "Chuck"? I remember that incident. It takes a special vintage poster here to roll with that chestnut.

Sorry Pete, but I don't agree.

Well, I figure Peter started it and was fully cognizant of where it would go, and this is really his forum, I'm more an adjunct mod, so I'll leave it to him to pull the plug. It's less rancorous than many a climbing related slugfest, and there are some good on topic points in here...

Yes indeed, and props to FF for putting this on.

Boxer doesn't have enough sense of humor, she should have said, "Dude, do me a favor..." I think the lack of a sense of humor is endemic to the trade, and not particularly partisan. While one can always cherry pick a few contradictions, most politicians take themselves too seriously. Elizabeth Becton, McDermott's aide who objected so strenuously to being called Liz, has a variant of that affliction. I've known a number of people who have insisted that others begin using the more formal version of their first name as they try and redefine themselves or work through issues around being more adult: Billy to William, Greg to Gregory, etc. My first encounter with the phenomena was perhaps the most entertaining, and he had the misfortune of becoming known within our social circle as Dick The Richard. I always find it faintly amusing when friends assume that since I'm now older and must surely have outgrown my 30 some year old nickname, they should now call me Doug instead of Off.

Right, because if you don't know Kimmo, he can't really be a climber.

Any details on this? Route? Climber's name? Outcome? Yikes.

Miriam got partway up Calvin & Hobbes, so I count 17 climbers plus one baby observer, definitely the Wed night record.

Sorry to hear this Rad, were you two still in contact?

Is John Scurlock available for a custom flyby?

Well, it just so happens that Viagra is also supposed to aid performance at altitude, so the comparison is most appropriate (or was it deliberate?). Effective in self-arrest when sliding head first. Well, I guess every situation would be head first. OMG, you guys should chill and just drop it, or Porter's going to scold me for spraying.

Deep Thoughts... brought to you by Kevbone. There you go, just the sort of thing Kevbone was talking about, unless you don't want to be treated with respect either you cheese lipped bacon puppet.

UPDATE: 6/17/09 It's looking like a swell evening, cool temps, no rain, occasional mosquitoes. Most everything is dry by now too, with the notable exception of Dead Low Tide. Indications are for a sizable turnout too, see ya'll out here.

I'd heard about this stuff awhile back, nice to see beta in the mainstream. Climbing on the wet side of the Cascades, these routes need traffic to stay clean. Looks pretty damn fun.

Finding out that all you guys use Diamox is akin to uncovering rampant Viagra usage.

Damn, and to think I already had plans to sell that stuff to a pawn shop in Boise...

Joseph, old school = sandbag, oneupsmanship has always been around, and locals have always delighted in seeing visitors flail at a grade they didn't expect to. The "Joshua Tree 5.9" was a classic example...

Wouldn't Tahquitz, where the YDS was first devised, be the gold standard by which to measure other area's degrees of soft & hard? Though I think that similar to other older areas, there can be some pretty stiff 5.9's that date to a time when people resisted violating the logic of a decimal system that topped out at 5.9 (5.10 being the same as 5.1 mathematically speaking) Of course, my fuzzy 25 year old memories from my last outing there are of no use for making comparisons.

Porter, if you need to make this thread sticky to remind yourself that you want to go climbing, you should just give me your rack and ropes and go join Phoq's pothead website where it won't matter if you remember to get stoned or not.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop on your reports Aric.

"Naw, thet ain't no garden, it's just a lil chum" What's your favorite possum recipe?

children methinks is the reference.