Greg_W

Two things: DFA you're fucking idiot (I know this isn't news to you). Your logic sucks; just because a few people lived in the area a few hundred years before we came doesn't mean they own the whole fucking West. Besides, they lost and we won: to the victor go the spoils, plain and simple. Go ahead and flame me, I don't fucking care. Second, Muffy, the "closure" at Devils Tower is VOLUNTARY. You can climb at the Tower during the month of June if you so desire. I don't think anyone does, both as a compromise and to make sure that the indians don't push for full climbing closure. Greg W

Naw, I just thought it was cool that he decked that guy. Someone posted a video clip of that here recently - cool.

Just don't say it to Buzz Aldrin. Isn't he the one who clocked that guy who said to his face the moon landings were fake? Way to go, Buzz.

Uh, I don't think so. TLG has brown eyes.

Pencil, didn't your father ever tell you that begging makes you look pathetic?

My guess is that it would get chopped before said hardcore climber got the chance to exercise the option.

PP = WANK

Yeah...you driving that subaru wagon is SOOOOOO ghetto.

Good point, Jim. Now that I think about it, I do plan my first few moves off the belay and mentally think about what pro I will need; not so much mid-pitch, though. Maybe that's one of the keys to moving up in the grades.

DFA - That sounds good on sport climbs. However, on trad climbs you don't always know what you are heading into move by move. The type of visualization that I've used on trad climbs is to visualize success, run sequences of strong leads through my head, etc. Basic "positive thinking" type shit.

Demi Moore as Hester Prin in "Scarlet Letter" was smokin' hot. Had hot, pilgrim fantasies for months after that one.

Hey, it's my ergonomic Microsoft keyboard - it's FAST!!!

The Suburbans are under orders to stay on-station at your residence, Trask. We use black MD-600 NoTARs in Canada -fast, small, and quiet.

Salem Witch Trials ring a bell? Your post shows your obvious endorsement of anti-witch behavior and pro-puritanical fanaticism.

Would the bolt make the climb easier; as in, easier to move through the crux because the leader just clips a bolt? Your description of the first ascent sounds well-done. Why cheapen later ascents or lower the bar? How long do you think your bolt will last? Aren't there too many bolts in that valley already?

If people want to climb a given route, they will equip themselves accordingly. IMO this shouldn't be a consideration in your decision-making process. It goes clean, as you said, so why the bolt? Also, sounds like you want to put a bolt next to a crack - good recipe for a chop-o-rama in that neighborhood.

Is the bolt going to protect the crux? If so, it sounds like there is a crack right there that takes gear. It also depends on the existing ethics of the area.

I've had lots of practice and don't mind anymore.

cutblocks?

Welcome back, Dru. Where did you go?

fuck the love, bring on the hate!!!

He was just expressing himself, DFA. As a good liberal, shouldn't you embrace diversity wherever you find it?

Weapons Inspector - No one is sure about the exact route, where the start is or where it finishes; route-finding is extremely hazardous.

E-Rock, apparently the people I talk to enjoy that. They didn't tell me that part.