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yes bug, i was talking about my self, firfuksakes, did you see how i used the word "trogdolyte"?!? i mean, coming on - it was lyrical! it was the ultra-mega-everything!

nonsense! there's been some mighty-fine word-crafting going on (occasionaly) in there!

john and thomas got into a pissing match back when the new testament was coalescing - john won - thomas' gospel was suppressed and thomas villified in john's account - and so the bible evolved...

and that right there is why, if god exists, he is a bit of a twit - why the fuck does saul get the personal jesus visit?!? waht's the point of keeping the rest of us heathens in the dark? for chrissakes, i'm a hedonistic fuck, and i know full well the powers of mental-illness to create illusions and fantasies, but if the Big Guy in the Bathrobe came down from the clouds w/ a plethora of big-bootie-bitches and waved his 16 inches around in my face while solving a rubix-cube in 1 second w/ his feet, i'm sure i'd be changing my tune damn quick too (probably even tvash too, though jaycee might need a big double-d rack to go w/ the long-schlong for full convincing).

only douglas adams could bring the appropriate end to this thread, but jesus reached down and took him away from us - bastard!!! "sorry for the inconvenience" - god

ha! the social-studies dept in my last school alwasy celebrated this one on our last day before the break - my fav part was the "airing of the grievances". no one was ever willing to wrestle me.

no, actually they'd say that a new species coudl well emerge in just a few hundred years, which is virtually no time at all in the fossil record, and could therefore by easily missed again, you're missing the point, the existence of evolution has zero to do w/ the existence of god - darwin believed in god and contemplated a life in the ministry prior to becoming a naturalist - einstein was no atheist. if there is a creator-god, clearly the numerous laws of science (thermondynamics, gravity, light, evolution, etc) were part of that creation...

i've broken ones from at least 2 different designs, not by falling, just by scraping htem along the wall while squeezing up chimney-type things...it was the trigger-wires and their attachment-points both times - the second time was on blown-out at a point where i desperately WANTED a piece so since being let down that time i'm officially done w/ them

there's no such thign as "less or more evolved" b/c there is no beginning or ending point to life - living things aren't striving for anythign in particuliar, just being molded by the conditions that currently surrond them. darwin was not god. his thoughts on evolution (a word he didn't even use) are not like those of abraham. it is natural that one who believes in prophets would have a hard time accepting this...evolution can proceed at times at a rapid clip, as gould suggests, leaving few "transitional" forms, which you've still yet to define.

funny, that's the subject of my first day after the break the fall of rome seems to largely have been caused by christians and a general spread of idiots w/n the general population at large who were content to watch their leaders spend vast fortunes on foreign wars while totally neglecting the poor and downtrodden among them - but then, jayb's the one who actually read all of gibbon's classic on the subject, so maybe he'd chime in, if he weren't tired already of taunting the trogdolytes i would agree that evolution is not 1000% necessary for the teachign of my subject, but then, nothing is. if you don't like evolution though, please get the fuck out of my public school system and study whatever gets you off w/ the rest of your snake-handling ilk forgive the aggressive tone, btw - the in-laws are in town!

times like these, it's good to remember me nietzche... if i didn't answer your question, then neither did you answer mine

exactly - so why in the hell does it always have to keep coming up?

and what, to you, would a transitional fossil even look like? you have no idea what could convince you b/c you are incapable of being convinced. why not save us all a lot of bad-noise and run along and start a pro-life group somewhere in indonesia, preferably jesus-based and in the middle of a group of equally-retared muslim-fundementalist who can show you have right THEY are?

and for those who think public schools don't give fair service to religion, please come watch me teach social studies - i make a very concentrated effort to teach all of the major world religions in the fairest fashion. i obviously can't speak for all social studies teachers, but as a professional, the strident and disrespectful opinions i spray here re: religion are most definitely excluded from my lessons, and i've reprimanded no small number of twits in my classroom who think it's cool to trash each others faiths in that forum, most especially including atheists. again, w/ the why teach evolution thing - could it be that evolution is truly one of the most fundemental laws of the universe, used to explain fucking everything!? the heavens above, the stock-market, politics, current events, history, economics, religion itself for christ's-sweet-fucking-sake! everything evolves! to comprehend where we've been, where we are now, and where we're heading is impossible w/o it. for my own subject of instruction, world history, to properly begin the narrative i must begin in pre-history, which compells a discussion of geology, dating-technique, our homonid ancestors, etc. my instruction is based on tangible evidence and commonly accepted scientific theory.

the liberal judge thing is also horrendously stupid - um, haven't you guys been in charge and appointing judges for damn near 8 years now?

why teach evolution in school? why teach newtonian laws of physics? why teach economics (which, by your standards, is everybit as nebolous as evolution)? why teach any fucking thing? the concept of free public education was, from its outset, a liberal idea - it believed that, by creating a generally well-rounded education in the citizenry, those citizens would be best equipped to rule themselves and choose sensible governors and policies - our failure to get the general population to buy into some of the key concepts of that liberal education(strict seperation of church and state, recognition of the continous evolution of human societies and its consequences, respect for the rights and views of minorities/others, etc) might well explain the current and likely to be continious fucked up state we find ourselves in as a nation. why not teach ID in classrooms? why not teach the mayan cosmology? the egyptian? the indian? if this world is the best an intelligent designer could figure out, he's clearly a fawking-retard

ever notice how people who don't believe in evolution look really unevolved? "i believe god made me in 1 day!" look like he rushed it...

evolution is un-ingsoc? your quacktalk is doubleplusungood!

actually, and on this rare occasion, no - the triggers have broken on me twice, from my most excellent technique of scraping my ass along the rock while climbing the likes of blown out and what-not - guess i could blame it on myself, but i expect me gear to be better than me, firsure.

pointless conversations like are great evidence against intelligent design - if we were made so smart, how come none of us can agree on the most basic damn thing? 'cuz that mean man lucifer fawked it all up? what bullshit - look, either the Big Guy in the Bathrobe is all-powerful or not - and if he did purposefully infuse a psychopathic assfuck into our existences, then tvash is right, he ain't the kind of god who deserves any respect, any more than i'd have a right to raise my own kids if i occasionaly threw a rattlesnake into their bedrooms, just to keep'em on their toes!

are you kidding? this guys funny as shit to climb w/! his tits do get in the way sometimes though

weather's looking perfect! come on, so far i got just 2 "definetly maybe's" - some other heathens gotta be out there!

so do you see 4 or 5, senor hawks? what the hell does it matter if you directly observe speciation (which is a somewhat fuzzy concept, the lines to be drawn between species being somewhat subjective and resting ultimately on the inability of one creature to screw another and have a progeny that can do the same) is it your claim that god made every species on earth all in one big all-nighter? how come we can't find the fossil of a horse in rocks that date to a billion years ago, but there's plenty of other bones from that time period we can't find today? how come when we first start finding fossils that look like horses, they're so much smaller and have very different feet? is it your claim that god just occasinally gets off the couch ever few eons and cooks up a new critter and plops it down? what do you make of darwin's finches? the panda's thumb? if god empowered creatures to make even small modifications, as w/ the viruses in the test-tube, why in the fuck wouldn't he give them the power to keep going and become entirely different creatures from what they began as?

"if god is our father, than satan must be our uncle"

needing scientific proof for the existence of evolution is like needing scientific proof to say that "smoking tobacco is unhealthy" - sure, you can dot the t's and cross the i's by doing your exhaustive, peer-reviewed research over decades - or you can just take a look around and pull you head out of your ass and see that it is obviously the case. don't know if it was mentioned a few pages back when that fellow was pointing out the classic con argument against evolution, that we don't have any evidence of "transitional forms" - jayb, you seem far more erudite w/ the word-thang - wanna explain gould's "punctuated equilibrium" to the masses so that i don't have to? there's even some nice pictures w/ circle's n' arrow's online that oughta at least amuse, if not edify, the israelites