and 'fore you get angry joe, let me say that, in the eventuality the park was closed, the best way for us climbers to let the s side still stay undisturbed during hte peregrine season would be to make the north side a realistic playground - the biggest obstacle to me seems keeping it safe for the tourists, as developing anything near the summit would seem potentially wicked dangerous for folks at the base - there'd have to be a buncha folks involved when cleaning up there i'd wager...but on the other hand you wouldn't have to worry about pissing off the train folks!