chelle

I haven't lived there but traveled there a lot on business in the mid-late 90s. On nearly every visit there was a story about a cyclist getting killed by some car not paying attention while speeding on the local roads. If you do decide to head out there and are looking for an outdoor enthusiast to hang out with send me a pm. One of my best friends just moved there for a great job. For him it was a huge cultural upgrade from his last great job in Birmingham, Alabama.

Apologies for the thread drift Fleb. But given the statements made earlier in the thread I thought it necessary to respond on the moderator issue. Caveman, please re-read the policy you agreed to when you signed up to post on this board. If you cannot abide by the rules and intent of the rules you are welcome to find somewhere else to post or to start your own website. For the full text go here. End of discussion on this topic.

My point Caveman is that if there is a discussion about the issues then the thread is not in jeapordy of going to spray. If you and other posters devolve the conversation into threats of violence and personal attacks then it certainly will and your privalege to be a part of this community will be in jeapordy. To a large degree the fate of this and any other thread is dependent on the behavior of the people who post in it. The discussion does not have to be politically correct to be civil. You have made few points about the actual issue in your posts to this thread. Instead you have suggested that moderation is unfair and is the problem which is simply not true. If you honestly feel that in order to have your points taken seriously you have to be offensive and threatening, you need to find somewhere else to spray your ideas because that is not what the climbers board exists for.

No need to bet. It is up to the people who post in the thread. If it degenerates to spray then it will be moved or deleted entirely...depending on how offensive it becomes. If you all keep the discussion reasonable then it will remain right where it is. I personally find part of the punishment to be very effective. The guy has to research the law and educate the public.

The aquarium did free the shark from a fisherman's gill net. It is the first one to feed in captivity and as of Friday had fed everytime it was offered the tasty salmon steaks. Here's a pic. And some cool jelly fish I saw too.

You two should pool gas money.

Check this out. I hope they can keep this one alive.

That is a great ad.

Still BTW Lambone, I don't know what "crew" you're referring to since I don't know RUMR or RBW personally. But whatever...I suppose from where you sit anyone in opposition to your POV is part of some mod crew. It is a conspiracy against you you know. We actually spend all our time discussing you and other problem posters because we have NOTHING better to do with our lives. Fact is you were being your typical omniscient self and I made an observation. Yes it was a troll, and zing... you were caught hook line and sinker. I got a few laughs out of it and the discussion moved on to other issues and insults. You just can't seem to let it go 'lil bulldog. Maybe you should just go climbing and work out your issues.

Just calling it like I see it buddy. I see you're still spreading the love. I guess you don't recall that I did say thanks a couple times about returning the cams. But I guess I forgot to say...you're my hero Lambone.

hmmmm.... looks like you've either been doing some deep reflection lately or you do not realize how hypocritical this is compared to many posts you have made over the years about people's acomplishments or attempts. Or maybe Lammy, you just don't get the respect you think you deserve from the big boyz in the valley and spray your attitude here. You have been guilty of this same "climbing scene" attitude in the past and are part of the problem IMO. So if you're tired of the BS maybe it's time for you to shut up.

Simple Green and hot water will clean your cams. Dry well. Then use cam lube.

A pretty disturbing picture of how Fox and Murdoc have manipulated so much of the American public. Their tactics are awful. I was left wondering if this conservative Aussie is setting the agenda for the RNC or if it is the other way around. : puking gremlin: Anyone else seen it?

I think this casting would be more accurate...Bush is the antichrist and the four horsemen are Runsfeld, Cheny, Ashcroft and the Saudi prince (with Condi Rice as understudy).

Very sad. My fear of jugging is part of what has me thinking about giving up the idea of doing a wall, at least at this point.

Now now...Don't get all serious on me Off.

From this morning's NYTimes: Perhaps he should reflect on past (and future) transgressions. Discuss.

Agree with whoever said the Crystal Horizon. I couldn't get past the second chapter it was so bad. My latest least favorite is the last issue of Alpinist mag(#8). It totally comes across as chest beating spray by almost every writer this issue. A friend of mine put it well...They may not have many ads, but each article seems like an advertisement for the climbers who are looking for sponsorship. if they keep this up I will have to ask for my money back.

Aggro chica? I was just going to kindly explain the finer points of rope management. Honestly I did consider the knot trick but thought that would just create a bigger cluster.

Thanks, JK. What a couple of n00bs those two were. I'll have to check out Peking next time. I'd been wanting to get on Moscow for a couple years and there was always such a line up. Those other 2 guys in line were having a little fun/epic trying to retrieve a bail biner from the sport climb to the right of Moscow. They were nice enough to let us get in front of them, when I suggested I could go up and school the guys trailing the line. Why they wouldn't climb up with a rope trailing is a mystery, but oh well I thoroughly enjoyed the route. Iaxx - I was wearing a helmet. Always a good thing to do with boneheads above you. And even when there aren't any bone heads IMO. But then the helmet thing has been discussed enough lately.

Yes. Was that you ahead of us? If so you're in trouble for being inconsiderate and bringing down small rocks on my belay. If it wasn't you then were you climbing on the 5.8 next to Moscow. Looked like a nice climb. NOTE TO NEW MULTI PITCH CLIMBERS (OR INCONSIDERATE EXPERIENCED ONES...): If you believe you need two ropes to get off a climb either the leader trails it, so the second can free it if it gets stuck OR the second carries it on his/her back or in a pack. IMO the second should NEVER be trailing a rope and just leave it hanging all the way up a multipitch route without ever restacking at the belays. It is in the way of other parties coming up behind and creates hazard by potentially bringing down rocks on other climbers. AND if it does get stuck you have created a problem for the parties coming up behind you. VERY BAD FORM!!! Whoever you were.

Weather was great. Friends were fun. Beer was cold. Crowds were minimal. Great weekend!

It seems to me that there are a few things that climbers could learn from this situation. Helmets even for belayers make sense, downclimbing is a skill that we need to practice, look ahead and anticipate pro placements--if there is a cruxy move within the first 20 feet, place some pro near it to protect yourself and your belayer. Rad, I like your top 10 reasons. Yes, I have newbie climbers wear helmets, even if they are just top roping. It is a good habit IMO. I have turned back from a bike ride that included a ferry ride because Irealized on the boat that I forgot my helmet.

Why you dregging this out of the gutter? It was good for a few laughs in it's day but it's kinda old news now don't you think?

That sucks. The park service has way too much money these days to invest in all this technology. Last year they bought listening devices and night vision goggles. Helps them get the dirbags out of the boulders...