Call me delusional, but I have this fantasy that the people who seek to be the self-appointed police force might first discuss their proposed "restoration" efforts and that the discussion could be handled in a way that would allow the parties who installed the offending routes, or those who think they are good climbs, to take part. I have this fantasy that even Dwayner might be mature enough to talk about how he decries the gridbolting at a place like Nevermind Wall, without simply throwing insults at the cowards who climb there. I have a fantasy that, even if it leads nowhere, we could discuss the future of bolting at a place like Banks Lake. I may well be fooling myself because, thus far, we have been utterly unable to have these discussions.
I doubt you'll ever have your "nirvana" forum Matt. Too many assholes and opinions. Too many chiefs.