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quote: Originally posted by none: Use brown rice syrup. Get it at the health food stores, next to molasses. That stuff tastes like old grapenuts with the consistency of snot. -Iain

We rented a satellite phone for a trip up in B.C. Calls were as clear as a land line, but at over $5/min, a little on the expensive side. They are now quite small.

I just wanted to have the first post on what will sure to be a multi-page expedition into the kingdom of spraydom. That is all.

Yeah, puts Bob "the woodsman" Dole to shame. Occurs from damage to spinal cord.

I think I saw you there last year.

Hey is this the fellow who was carrying on the delightful conversation w/ AlpineK over on SummitPost? Ahhh the battle of the bulletin board geeks takes a new twist.

mrrrrr....mrrrrr.....MREREEEEERRRRRR!!!!! putter...putter...putter....MREEERMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRR!!!!! Ah the sound of a quality highmark.

quote: Originally posted by specialed: [/qb] I believe he is credited with being the first white man to enter Puget Sound proper and also with naming Mt. Rainier. After some pompous asshole back in england no doubt[/QB] Nope, it's named after the beer.

On limiting group size on Rainier: I remember a couple summers ago I ran into a group of women on the Emmons G. route climbing to celebrate the anniversary for the first female ascensionist (maybe the first ascenionist? dunno). Anyways they had over 50 people on the route, spread out between Schurman and the flats, with pink lawn flamingoes and everything. Basically they had reserved the entire area, even spilling over to Camp Curtis, way down there. Some of them were nice, but many were loud, obnoxious,and for some reason, condescending towards my climbing party, even though many of them were terrifying to watch climb. So yes, I'd like to see that kind of thing limited on Rainier. Not an overall limit on climbers, but limits on group size.

quote: Originally posted by Raustin: I heard of a great 4th class scramble on willis wall. There is a walk off route on there, right? I get kind of sketched on rappel!! Yep, and I recommend the following gear for the route: Derby hat, Leather vest, Speedo. That is all.

quote: Originally posted by allison: a group of 90? ....4 times the size it should be. You hear that? Maximum group sizes of 22.5 people.

Not sure if that's a troll or not, but allowing the program to ramp up could lead to disneyland-style managed access to forest land, and in fact disney has been in discussions with the USFS in the past. Yet's it's your forest land they are discussing. USFS has lost a tremendous amount of revenue with decreasing timber sales and they need to find a way to recupe that money desperately. Certainly worries me.

Easy for me to say w/o a subpoena in front of my face, but I wonder what the fine would have been had you agreed to defend your case and lost, and if it would go on your criminal record. It's difficult to call the USFS on a bluff when they are threatening a court battle, but many people who have accepted the court case over the fine end up w/ their cases dismissed. I'm certainly no lawyer, but I think you also have the right to request a district judge over a magistrate judge for your case. As I understand it, the prosecution needs a very good case to appear before a district judge, and they are frequently dismissed due to lack of decent evidence. The magistrate judge is more a means for the defense to feel they have had their day in court, and usually the DA's office wins. Even so, many of the trail park pass cases have been dismissed in a magistrate court. That said, I'm not sure if I would be able to put up with a court case, particularly when there is the possibility for serious consequences should I lose. The "demo" is to show that we are a viable source of revenue and that the system is politically possible. As the most recent leaked documents about the trail park pass system have shown, the USFS is very concerned about the upwelling of resistance over the program, particularly in the Northwest.

Seriously, this isn't a joke? I guess I'm glad they don't do too many trips to Oregon. Unbelievable.

You might check out Wild Wilderness if you have not already. There are several case studies on there and a section on what to do if you are caught, and the consequences. Scott Silver has been taking up the slack for many of us who oppose the fee, but don't do crap to help fight to get rid of it. Thanks Scott.

quote: Originally posted by max: So to keep the ball rolling here, I'd like to see a list of the top five to ten routes most deserving a chop. Be specific in what route, what bolts, and why. Once the list comes out, we'll see if anyone has a beef and can support their complaint. Uh, License to Bolt ?

That could be useful for some here. Some people have climbed Mt. Hood by timing themselves from the Burnside Bridge in Portland, ice axe taped to the down tube of their bike. Sea to summit McCartney-Snape kindof thing.

quote: Originally posted by willstrickland: Werd! I hit 900 today...think I'll make 1000 before I split? Now out of those 900 how many were worthwhile? Maybe 6...7 tops. And how many have the word scott'teryx (or however you spell that, whatever it means) in them.

Unlike the trail park pass, the SnoPark permit legitimately pays to keep those lots plowed and the snow tire damage repaired to some extent. I'm happy to pay the $15 when I can see an obvious result of my funds. Big difference.

Good source for bumper stickers: check it.

quote: Originally posted by trask: Hey, do any of you guys wear some of your climbing shit around town. Dunno about the rest of you but I can't afford to let my stuff wear out too quick. I tend not to wash my stuff too much either to avoid it wearing out. Chicks dig me for this alone. As far as I can tell Oregon State issues TNF mountain jackets to all freshman at orientation and requires wearing at all times, even in classrooms. That or the TNF down jacket...you know the one...when it's 50 and raining outside. didn't go to OSU, just an old Corvallis resident.

Okay the puppy head cam is a terrible idea. All you'd see was a blurry shot of some Alpo, other dogs' asses, nook's crotch, and occasionally T's fresh-baked loaves in the woods. Speaking of good animal multimedia, check out: Mike's page.

If you are even a remotely decent skier I would bring skis if you have some kind of backcountry binding. The slog back down is often worse than the slog up, and you save a lot of time by skinning up. Just my opinion.

quote: Originally posted by offwidthclimber: Thanks for the replies folks! I looked at the other guide pages and holy shit! upwards of $1300 for a trip up rainier peace. Yeah, and half the fun is making your own decisions up there, right or wrong. I wouldn't want to pay that much to be barked at. If you do some planning and training and then experience the mountain on your own terms, you are less likely to summit but if you do (or even if you don't) I think you'll get a lot more out of it. Beware on the Emmons, I've poked through a few times where I thought I would not. And then there are the gapers (both huge crevasses and the other kind of gaper which inhabits Schurman).

quote: Originally posted by specialed: 2nd Set Pembroke Pines, Fl. ?-?-'77. Terrapin>Wharf Rat>Morning Dew. Jerry had some extra good smack that night. 5/22/77 So good, in fact, that Dick V. chose it for Volume 3.