Fairweather

You seem pretty balanced, but a couple of your mods seem hell-bent on taking the fun outta this place. Manifesto? I honestly don't recall.

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I find irony in that the two most left-minded moderators on this site, Minx and MattP, seem to be systematically banning most of the more outspoken and conservative voices on this board. Is this a microcosm of the liberal mindset in today's society?? I certainly don't see right-thinking Peter Puget or JayB banning anyone! Does anyone else see it? BTW, Minx, your constant harping about peoples "reading comprehension" is grating, and one might say, a personal attack. You should try to mix up your insults occasionally. I sincerely don't think you were cut out for this line of work. MattP, you could learn a bit of tolerance from your like-minded friend and fellow moderator, OffWhite. I don't like 75% of what the guy believes, nor he, I. But the man ain't banning everyone who says chop and bolt in the same sentence. I'm likely wasting my breath as self re-evaluation doesn't seem to be one of your strong suits. I had the pleasure of mountain biking with both Gotterdamerung and Captain Caveman this past Sunday. They both seemed to be outstanding people whom I would enjoy climbing with....which is more than I can say for certain moderators on this site.

I like it!

Yes, yes I know. The South side route is particularly a gem. It is so quite, pristine and peaceful on that side of the mountain; I never feel like I'm in the middle of a massive circus. And those damn Indians, how dare they ever consider infringing on our quality of life! This is just one more reason (not like anyone here needs one) we should keep up our 400 year history of Native American abuse and repression. Hugs and kisses, Gaper Jeffey Jeffery, the south spur is NOT the issue. Have you ever been on the east side of Adams? Have you camped at Bench or Mirror Lakes? Climbed The Mazama Glacier? Bivied at Sunrise Camp? Crossed The Klickitat Gorge to Avalanche Valley? Hiked The Ridge of Wonders? Or Bird Creek Meadows? Taken your children up Little Mount Adams as their first mountain climb? The Yakamas are humans...just like you and me. And your (our) guilty anglo conscience does not justify allowing this permanent infringement.

Just think, AK! A lift to Pikers Peak would basically open up the entire mountain to the downhill crowd. And who's gonna' be at Killen Creek TH, or Stagman Ridge to pick them up?.....especially when the road is snowed in for over 40 miles! I would bet the first novice to ski off the Rusk Icecliff in a whiteout would only be a few weeks after the ribbon cutting ceremony. The whole fucking mountain will be littered with the bones and mumified carcasses of alpine ski extremist wannabies! Sounds like Mr Riley would need a helicopter on stand-by and would use it almost daily!

Do you care to address the 1855 treaty? The original boundaries were quite clearly stated IMO. Additionally, the 1971 agreement guarantees the designated wilderness, which included most of the east side of the mountain as well as the west, will remain pristine. Indeed, the 1971 ceded land that is the east side of Adams still holds the "Wilderness" designation on USGS and USFS maps. I think you may be confusing right sympathy for the plight of tribes with common sense wilderness management. Is your current position consistent with your position on the Makaw Tribe whaling issue? I believe there are some similarities.

I've entertained your questions. Now, for the record, please state your position on this proposal. I won't hold it against you either way. (I can understand The Yakama's temptation to bite into this deal.) But, after all, it was you who posted the story above. On another note, I may want to rethink my weak threat of civil disobedience...at least within tribal boundaries.... http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0%2C1249%2C595075018%2C00.html

Why do you not think it was "proper"? The 1855 treaty spells the boundaries out clearly. (See link provided with Section II pasted and boldened) http://www.ccrh.org/comm/moses/primary/yaktreaty.html ARTICLE II. There is, however, reserved, from the lands above ceded for the use and occupation of the aforesaid confederated tribes and bands of Indians, the tract of land included within the following boundaries, to wit: Commencing on the Yakama River, at the mouth of the Attah-nam River; thence westerly along said Attah-nam River to the forks; thence along the southern tributary to the Cascade Mountains; thence southerly along the main ridge of said mountains, passing south and east of Mount Adams, to the spur whence flows the waters of the Klickatat and Pisco rivers; thence down said spur to the divide between the waters of said rivers; thence along said divide to the divide separating the waters of the Satass River from those flowing into the Columbia River; thence along said divide to the main Yakama, eight miles below the mouth of the Satass River; and thence up the Yakama River to the place of beginning

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I generally support tribal soverignty and the upholding of treaties with the tribes. I don't think the transfer of Mount Adam's east side in 1971 to The Yakimas was proper and the tribe's restriction of non-native recreational access to Mount Adams environs violates the agreement they signed with the FS. (Despite the revisionist history promoted by both parties since.) Additionally, the Yakimas have allowed motorized ORV use right up to treeline and above. Only their economic plight has kept the east side of Mt Adams generally pristine. This "deal" with the ski/casino industry would upset the balance that has existed on the east side of the mountain for the past 33 years.

Although acknowledging opposition from environmental groups, Riley said Meadows will use cutting-edge building practices that focus on sustainability and environmental ethics. Not just "environmental groups", Mr Riley! The thought of lifts along The Ridge of Wonders and downhill skiers on The Mazama Glacier and Bird Creek Meadows and Avalanche Valley -one of the most remote spots in the South Cascades - makes this multiple use advocate shudder. I still don't think this proposal has legs, but this is likely a case where Fairweather could be swayed to participate in an act of non destructive civil disobedience. For a better understanding of what's at stake, please read "Tales of a Western Mountaineer" by CE Rusk if you can find a copy. And "Guardians of the Columbia" by John Williams (1910!) at the Tacoma Library's PNW section...(I have an original copy. ) This proposal enacted would break my heart.

I have a signed first edition copy of K2 The Savage Mountain that I found at a garage sale years ago. I'm going to re-read it and bring this great man back to life for a time.

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They're obviously too firm to be real. (^)(^)is small and perky better than big and fake?

Absolutely shocking! You should immediately forward the documentation you possess about the president's ill-gotten gains to CBS News c/o Dan Rather, Viacom Hqtrs. New York, New York. Better yet, scan what you possess w/OCR software and FAX the Word douments from the nearest Kinko's!

Big Lou Haiku: Big Lou is stand-up built a life most would envy what is up with Jim? Big Jim climbs for Dems mountains and activism! what's his avatar?

Would you apply the same standard to, say, persons arrested for obstruction during a public protest ala WTO? Frankly, the guy in question should grow some balls and accept another form of punishment...or just fight the charges in court. I could really care less about the bolting debate either way...and I can see both sides. But when I read this story the image I conjur up is of some poor schmoe in the back of a flatbed truck with a shaved head and a signed confession hanging losely around his neck as he's driven past angry sidewalk crowds en route to his execution.

One FS drone's definition. What's your point? The Wilderness extremists...and there are many of these "advocates" who possess law degrees (unfortunately), can twist both meaning and intent of The Act at will! All that is required to impose their view of wilderness ethics is a judge with a willing ear. ...And yes, I am serious.

First it's motorized, then its mechanized (ie: mountain bikes). So which definition suits your beliefs this week? How about the motor drive in my camera? The mechanized skins and bindings on my skis? The wheelbarrow being used by the trail maintenance crew? My handheld GPS? My wristwatch? The kite being flown by a father and child?.... Wilderness Nazis! I spit on you. Repeal the Wilderness Act!.

...Still only silence from Pope and MattP who continue to deny the existence of a biased mainstream media even while Dan Rather is swimming in a sewer of his own making.

You mean guys like #71 on this page would drive this truck? WARNING: NOT WORKPLACE SAFE!!! Could that be Willie Nelson? gets my vote!!

This hard-core conservative loves a nice pair of breaststs! Nice link.

Don't get me wrong! I think the monorail is a cool idea and a nice fit for Seattle. I just find it amusing that Seattle liberals get cold feet when they realize they won't be able to stick someone else with the bill. It seems, to me, a microcosm of the whole liberal mindset.

Well said. You've got to believe that anybody (except possibly a Freshman at a third-rate college) attempting to fake these docs would make the minimal effort to match technology with the doc's creation date. Exactly! So why would Dan Rather go forward with the story? Answer: He has an agenda and let his desire for a Kerry victory usurp his journalistic integrity. (Again.) Are you now going to claim the source of the documents is The Bush Campaign in some sort of double-reverse-gotcha'?? I don't see how you can spin this one, Pope. Time to admit dirty media bias and "move on", so to speak.