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hammerless is kind of a semantic statement considering on most hammerless routes theres tons of fized shit. I guess "hammerless" must mean don't place new pins. We hammered 2 baby angles on the Zodiak. If we had brought flared blue and green aliens we could have done it clean. I wish we had the aliens and did do it clean too.

Imaginary Voyage in Lost Horse - one short section of 10d laybacking, but the most intimidating part, the roof, is actually pretty chill. Second on the illusion Dweller You'll dig the classic 5.9's Pope's Crack and Touch and Go in Echo Rock if haven't done them already. And Heart and Soul in echo is killer 10a! Off White, have you ever done Vampire at Taquitz??

They probably get $ from their government for this shit too.

Sweet y'all, thanks for the beta

Some prick once threw a shit bag off of the Grand Wall and it exploded about 15 feet from me. Didn't get any on me, but I was PISSED

Sounds like my torts I final..... Anyway, any Methow / Omak area climbers ever found those "Bhudda" boulders in Mazama. Just a bit West of Fun Rock there's three really good big free-standing boulders. However, there all in someone's back yard, and the owner has turned them into some buddhist sanctuary with paint and buddha figurines and shit. Too bad because they're defenitly the best boulders in the Methow.

Now that you're famous can I have an autographed nude photo?

Groan.

Then why do we consider it wrong to nail Godzilla, Thin Fingers, or City Park then? After all we might be nailing in the big ranges, and that would be practice.

I've got the A5. Its super bomber and can apparantly withstand heinous storms and shit. However, its a beatch to set up. Though gets easier with practice. I climbed Zodiak with a dude who had the Fish. Its way easier to setup but not as bomber. If you just want to do big walls in the valley get a BD or Fish, if you've get heinous expedition plans to big ranges get the A5. There's barely anything in the northwest that would require a ledge. There's few walls that are bigger than 10 pitches or so. So pretty much the best strategy would be to fix lines. Because.... HAULING SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know but I'm not creative enough to think of a better analogy

This thread is soooo wrong. But anyway: One time in college we held the "Party Stupid" Everyone was supposed to bring their bad idea. People brought lots of booze and jell-o shots and shit. People got fucked up!! Then towards the end of the party, dude shows up with ganja cookie which everyone scarfs. Twenty minutes later people are stumbling and walking around outside totally blitzed, forgotten where they were. Most people either passed out on our floor or in a ditch somewhere on the way home, or crashed their bikes numerous times trying to ride home. I was so fucked up I forgot how to talk. Ahhh..........college.

Don't put yourself in that position in the first place if local ethics dictate NO PINS!!! Its the same as quitting your job, giving away all your money and belongings, and then when you get hungry stealing food from the grocery store. When you get caught, defending yourself by saying well I had to do it because I was starving.

Green Drag-On is a CRAG climb, regardless of what the weather is doing at the time, not a full-on winter adventure as BCollins would like to think. Like RR666 says, what if everyone pounded pins into crag climbs just because it was snowing? If BCollins wants to pound pins and climb in winter conditions, he should have headed up Mt. Index or Mt. Snoqualmie or something. Pope may be right that BCollins's 1 ascent isn't going to change the climb, but what if lots of people find it OK to repeat his actions? Its good to have genteel discussions about this and I respect Pope for being an old-school bad ass, but truthfully I find his and BCollins's logic on this issue to be very self-contradicting and flawed

Sick is subjective

DFA is hereby nominated for chronically referring to himself in third person.

EVERYDAY I AM WASHING MY ASS SO IT MIGHT BE THE CLEANEST IN THE WORLD.

I nominate Dru for being a smart ass

I'm sure you make a lot more money as a "professional" masseuse than as a professional masseuse

Yeah but tele boots are REALLY hard to get off

Yeah $325 is the fixed rate to the Tokositna. Its like $275 to the Kahiltna and the Ruth. Sounds like its pretty important to make reservations beforehand and all that. You still have potentially any AK plans Erik? And why aren't you on your way to Cali?

Anyone who's flown out of Talkeetna into the Park or elsewhere: What air service did you use? What did you pay? Did you book in advance? Is it crucial to go with Geeting aviation or is one of those other random services reliable and all that shit? Any other beta regarding flying in small ass planes to go climbing?

Great except for two major differences: 1. No jungle for enemy to hide in which made enemy relatively difficult to locate and destroy with airstrikes 2. More confidence, ability, and reliance in airpower. In Vietnam it was 50% ground forces, 50% airpower. In Iraq it will be like 95% airpower and 5% ground forces And: LBJ might have been a corrupt Texan but he actually had a backbone (Civil Rights Act 1964, for example) unlike Bushy.

LOL...a submarine!? no shit!? hehe...portland's cool, but I wouldn't even really classify seattle as a "big city" even though it's much larger than portland. chicago, NYC, san fran...I think of those as big cities. I kinda tend to think of them having a metro feel that only a really big city has. Have you ever lived anywhere else? Seattle is a big ass city bro. Its way more urban and metro than a lot of other cities you probably consider big.