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This is irrelevant. Because, let's say hypothetically, your partner is Ray Bourbon or even better Mike Adamson.

If you are about to climb a very popular and high quality 5.9 crack at the crag and and a party of two has just finished leading and following the climb (belay at top with walk-off) and the said party yells down that you and your partner can not climb the crack because they "have" the climb and want to top-rope it a bunch of times even though they just climbed it: do you have a "right" to start climbing it anyway despite the other parties objections? Or does the other party have the "right" to claim possession of the climb for as long as they want? Or do you have the "right" to climb it, but shouldn't out of courtesy? Hypothetically, if you were in this position, how would you act?

Must disagee Dru. The Europeans invaded by everyone, respected by noone are the French. But I must digress, we've already had a few threads covering that topic.

Who is this guy? He's got some SICK alpine mixed and ice phots in the gallery. Is he related to Polish Bob or something? Or maybe he is just everyday training to be strongest Polish climber?

Trust me bro, you don't ever, ever want to meet Larry the Tool. Sad thing is all the stories about him are true. Not even embelished a little bit. Last time I had a run in with him, he was so bummed I actually had my permit he told me I was violating federal law by drinking beer at the trailhead and he held me there for 20 minutes while he ran my drivers license through his computer and threatened to take me to jail. Turns out its not even illegal to drink at a trailhead! and he knew it. What a fuck.

I know this has been beat to death, but what about Mountaineer Creek TH being closed so a new bridge can be built for logging trucks. Another example of Forest Circus making the citizen recreator pay more for less, and putting logging interests ahead of everything else.

Not just Fee Demo, but as Erik said certain ranger's aggressive enforcement of it and harrassment of climbers even when they comply with the rules. I'm sure many people here can give first hand accounts. On a related note, cool story in the PI this morning on Bred Frecky!!!

I'm also in the market for an lightweight alpine pack for multi-day climbs. I've been looking at the Wild Things IceSac at 3200 ci, 3lbs 4oz (non stripped) $200. And the BD Ice 50 at 3294, 3lbs 12 oz (non-stripped) for $165. Some bells and whistles are key I think. Like tool tubes, 'poon pouch, and removable sleeping pad. But do you think for two or three day climbs in cold weather a bigger pack is necessary?

Its a complicated situation. Its hard to agree completely with either side. I've only come up with two clear observations: 1) G.B. is not the sharpest tool in the shed 2) America is becoming the American Empire. Which probably isn't a bad thing, as opposed to the world becoming the empire of clutter and disaster.

Sorry about the pedophile joke. I had totally forgotten that the Joke Police were patrolling today. My bad. Let's see if I can remember the rules (for future consideration, of course): 1. jokes about penguins eating cum are O.K. 2. jokes about woman being treated as slaves are not only OK but encouraged 3. Jokes about ass sex, urinating in one's anus, and the like are similiarly encouraged 4. Links to games involving one hunting and killing homosexuals with a shotgun is OK 5. Whole threads espousing the glory of hate is defenitly OK 6. However, any references to pedophilia, regardless of how satirical or jestfull they are intended, are definetly NOT NOT allowed. Good. I'm glad we have established these bright line rules. I feel much safer now that I know the joke police are out there protecting the sensitive feelings of those like Chuck. The last thing I would ever want to do would be to make the lad feel uncomfortable. Cheers!

Spring's almost here... start packin!

"Yup son you're definetly going to need a few #3 bugaboos and some HB offest micronuts if you want to start climbing, and some of those lightweight alpine etriers. Just start with basic gear like this, then go from there..."

From where did the band Steely Dan take its name?

I think the Epicurians had it right. Life is all about cultivating appetites and then fullfilling them. What most people miss is that its not about glutany, because if you overload your appetites they stop being enjoyable. That's why its all about moderation, and / or some sort of self sacrifice. It can all be summed up as: the best tasting is after a day of climbin hard.

Fuck So Cal!!!!!!

depends what you are looking for on the city streets!!!1 set myself up there didn't I ? oops I just ment breathing cleand air beats the hell out of smog. And I would rather look at trees and rocks than people and houses What smog???; and Eugenes got more trees, and old trees to boot, than most other cities/towns I've ever been to... Do we even live in the same town? But really, on to subject, you can hike to the top of dimond peak, but most would claim to climb it... hands? how could you use your hand on that one? I think it is a matter of elvation/distance... if you travel a short distance, but gain a lot of elevation, your climbing the terain... I think you're confusing smog with the omnipresent cloud of cannabis smoke and petuli oil that always hovers over Eugene. Sometimes you have to go "hiking" or "climbing" up the nearby local "mountains" just to get out of it.

Now we've got a whole other ragin' controversy: who did the FA of the second pitch?

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Maybe Wiggins led it first, then rapped. Then Webster led it and brought Becker up?

Randall Green: "Five years later I was back at Indian Creek photographing Earl Wiggins as he smoothly jammed the first ascent of Supercrack, methodically placing his hands in the crack and protecting its long sweep with a handful of large hexentric nuts. "The ascent of Supercrack by Wiggins, Ed Webster, and Bryan Becker swung open the door of possibilities at Indian Creek." I guess that means Earl Wiggins did the first ascent and the first free ascent simultaneously. Then Becker and Webster followed? But I could swear I read in an old issue of Mountain that Supercrack was aided before it was freed. I dunno

I don't get it.

Looks like Scoterix and Dwayner were the only people keeping it alive. R.I.P. lame ass CC.com wannabe

Don't know for sure, but I think Webster made the first ascent, Wiggins the first free ascent!? Or maybe it was the other way around.

FUcckk snowboarding. Though: I ski but have a lot of friends who ride and use a split board. The general concensus seems to be that they ride fine on pooder and soft snow but not so great on hard pack or crust due to insufficient lateral stiffness. I think you would probably not want to try to tele with a split board because: a. the bindings aren't made for that - not strong enough or stiff enough, b. boots aren't stiff enough, c. there's not inside edge on split boards - which might not matter in deep soft snow, and d. split boards are funny shaped skis when split and probably don't turn or ski for shit, and the flex is probably fucked up too, not to mention the bindings are probably mounted in the wrong spot. That's what I think. Also if you don't want to throw down for the Voile job and you have an old board lying around, you can get kits for modifying your old board into a split board. That way you can see if you like it without spending all the $$