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Arrrgh! SCW is perfect in it's present state. As Darrin pointed out, the rap route already exists if you really must avoid the easy walk off. (why???)

Kevin- I told you it was a sandbag.

Easy, grovelling.

Well said.

Brewery is history.

Sure hope that 24 hour thing is true, the little bitch that I yanked off my forearm has left me with a 2cm circle of deep red, no white center though. I have been bitten many times in the past but this is the first time I have had the red circle. Bastard!

So true about the posers! Better service at the bar. Mexican is decent but spendy. Try the Renaissance for brkfast. Thanks.

I must admit, I'm not much of a breakfast guy. At that time of day a seems much more appealing than food. However, Uli's still sucks. The portions are small and the prices are high. Taco night is a joke. Bunch of slimy wanna-be hippies always stinkin up the place. Besides "Tony" K. is always there and who wants to listen to his "5.11c this... blah blah. 5.12 that... blah blah.", absolute b.s. I'll be belly-up to the bar at Gustav's drinkin a Rogue Yellow Snow and wolfin down a Gustav Burger for $6.95. Mmm mmm good! I know nothing about fancy brand name tech clothing for cragging. Aren't Carhartt's like $40-$50 a pair? Yipes! I'll stick to the cheap Old Navy close outs for $15-$20.

Tim- Bring your wire brush for Raft Rock-You'll need it. Although I certainly haven't led Mastadon Roof I am confident a #5 is not required. Fleblebleb- A burger at Gustav's is only $10 if you include a pint. Where can you get a better/cheaper burger in town? Uli's? sucks, Duck Boys? Yipes! There are no tick free crags in L-town.

I did the route the day the road opened in 98 (early April). It was in the 20's and there was a short stretch of water ice (50') high on the route where it bottle necks down. The rest of it was good "styrofoam". An outstanding outing in these conditions.

They're all over the Tumwater and the Icicle. I was at Clem's Holler.

Little bastards! Just ripped the first one of the season off my forearm. Musta hitched a ride from the Tumwater.

It is Prussik. It is a "new" route.

So an example of such a condition would be an old water well that had a bad cover over it that someone could step on and fall through. A large loose boulder wouldn't qualify because it was natural. To my understanding that would be correct. It would also apply to fixed installations (bolts, pins, chains, etc.) that the landowner knew were faulty.

Never thought I would say this but I agree with Pope's above statement. (although his attempts at comparing it to rap-bolting are, as usual , pathetic) I would have no problem tappin in a pin if conditions and terrain warrant it, although I highly doubt a hammer would be part of my arsenal on a clean trade route at a crag. Hmmm... I wonder about that. If we are truly talking about pitch 1 of Green Drag-on and my memory is correct, the freeclimbing crux is at about 2/3 height after the angle eases back and immediately below the 4th class finish. Since the 11- crux is laying back small pin scars on a slabby seam, additional scarring would dramatically affect the freeclimbing and the ease of placing protection. Multiple "snowy adventures" = permanently altered and unrepairable climbing. Correctly placed fixed hardware = permanent unaltered climbing and removable/repairable damage. Your right Pope, it's not the "same" thing.

Pretty sure it's not Vantage...

Hmmmm, I don't really agree with you. From the tarn directly below (east of) Mesa Lake it takes about 30-45 minutes to reach The Mole. I would consider that "passing by" if I was connecting a Toketie/Prusik outing. Not exactly a "detour" on a multi day trip. Whatever.

allison- it seems to me you have no idea what your talking about, have you even hiked through the area?

Have you really been up there and looked at it from the top, or just sittin on your ass staring at a map? I've been to the Eastern edge of the mesa and am pretty damn sure it cliffs out. If your goal is the mesa or The Hook Creek Crags, why anyone would hike up there any other way than Hook Creek is beyond me.

Well done Jonathan! After climbing it a few winters back, I wanted to return with my snowboard but have not yet done so. Maybe someday.

uhhh, yeah.

My lady (of 4+ years) climbs 5.12 sport, boulders v-7/8, and onsights 5.11 trad regularly. I can not. I can however out her.

4 days craggin and in L-town. Ahhh early season lichen! If the weather turns to shite, grab the board and head up Cashmere.

Vesper