well, i don't think it's that simple. the first time i attempted rainier i got to the scree slope before ingraham and knew it wasn't going to happen for me. our rope leader wanted to get to ingraham and decide then. still no good. i told him i would go back by myself so the rest of them could continue but he wouldn't hear of it. i felt so shitty for ruining the other climbers' chances at reaching the summit. the guilt sucked. if he'd had a bag for me i would have happily snuggled up in it and gone to sleep while they pushed on ...