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Whaaaaaaaaaaa. There's a way around this, punk. Honestly, I wouldn't mind paying. In fact, I might pay retroactively if we could get Dwayner back on board. I mean, suppose I subscribe. On a whim, one of the 23 moderators could ban me and then I'd be out my $20. I've been banned for something I said to PP in a private message for crying out loud! On the other hand, the guys who got this site going are cool cats. Jon's trying to cure cancer, Timmy just gave me a free page worth of web design advice. These guys rock and I think they deserve our support. Distel, for $20 a year, you have a venue in which to post a plethora of images of yourself, with a captive audience that really appreciates these contributions. Where else are you going to find this outlet for your insatiable ego? I'd say it's a bargain at any price. Pope.

"Lay an egg" provides amusement. Also try "shake your tail feathers", "chicken dance" and "goose step".

Wow, that's kind of like taking "God" out of the Pledge to protect the feelings of two or three school children (who probably don't give a flying flip one way or the other when their parents aren't in the room).

Practically everybody at Hempwood is in a band....or at least comes to school looking like it. If you wanna be a cool-cat teacher, try emulating these guys:

Peaches come in a can! They were put there by a man! In the factory downtown.... Enough with your marijuana music/teenage wind.

"Quitting is a habit that becomes difficult to quit." Some of those guys are still around, having merely "morphed" into new cyber characters. But in general, you're right. The guys who were truly clever and entertaining, those who voiced controversial viewpoints have been chased away. And it's a good thing too. According to one post I read today, instead of bolts and low-adventure climbing getting us into trouble with land managers (due to the crowds these climbs attract), it was the rowdy and "irresponsible" discourse on cc.com that motivated land managers and preservation groups to move to restrict our access.

Used-to-be's don't make honey.

The effect is even more striking the second time you pass it.

That's what I think. I weighed about 135 when I carried 70 lbs into the Bugs and I just about died. I think 60 is extemely heavy, like having both of my kids on my back at once. But who knows, maybe Carlson is a work horse.

what will said Yeah, that may be acceptable to the founders of a climbers' website, but outside the cyber world, democracy still exits. And so do the voices behind so many of the characters who have been squelched on this otherwise stupendous climbers' net.

Neutral Gray say: Pope say: Do we agree? I think we agree. It’s about people…increasing numbers of people who have greater access due to the establishment of this route. That is precisely the issue. Again, Garfield has been ascended for decades without ALPS objections. A variety of routes are thoroughly documented in Beckey’s guide. What explains all of the recent trouble? Increased traffic that has resulted DIRECTLY from changing the nature of climbing on this mountain can be the only explanation. Indirectly, then, it is about sport climbing. Alpine K say: I sincerely hope this isn’t the case. But if this is true, then in part I blame the creators of Infinite Bliss. I would suggest that had it not been for this route, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and there would be no ALPS objections.

That hill has seen countless ascents by a variety of routes. I really don't car about the route in question, whether it survives this controversy. It would be a shame, however, if access to Garfield in general were in anyway restricted because of somebody's "vision" for an alpine sport climb. Probably the ALPS group understands that when you beat all of the adventure out of a mountain, anybody and everybody can and will take a turn. You're probably right, Dick Nog Man, that bolts aren't the issue. I'm sure it's the increased traffic (practically a corollary to low-adventure climbing) that is alarming ALPS members. But I'm just speculating.

I've been meaning to ask about times up Si- I'm trying to get my sorry, lethargic ass back in shape. What is a respectable time up the old trail, say to the little clearing in the trees just past the boulders, not to the top of the Ghayperstack? Under an hour is fast in my book, with all the switchbacks. I'm no track star but I've done 1:20 to the top of the Haystack. I kind of assumed that is where the journey and the clock stops. No? Also, I'm pretty impressed that anybody could carry 60 pounds up in less than two hours, especially a 45-year-old talk jock.

True dat. Those of you who know my sentiments on this issue probably think I'm sitting here smugly laughing. This is not entirely true. Honestly, one big route on a face like that...even if it required a few bolts to link natural weaknesses....would ADD TO THE CLIMB EXPERIENCE OF THE CASCADES. I just don't think it would stop with one route, and I don't think the route in question relies significantly on natural gear. Anyway, we're going to have to get back to the point of policing our own behavior or we will soon be viewed like the ATV/hunting crowd. Maybe we already are.

I never thought about it in this way. You know, a new ski lift near the base of Garfield would probably have less impact than those logging operations. I suppose the existence of a logging operation justifies a bolt trail...and maybe a ski lift as well. People dump trash up there? Really? That's terrible. Following the logic presented to me today, I guess it's OK to throw my Taco-Bell burrito packaging out the window. After all, serious transgressions justify all less-serious transgressions.

Maybe John will get a chance to catch one of those glorious sunrises from 14000 feet, where mighty Tahoma casts her shadow down across all of that clear-cut ugliness outside the park. Maybe John will finally grasp the idea of wilderness and change his view on ANWR. Maybe Big Lou will beat some alpine sense into his greedy little bible-thumpin' head.

I thought it sounded fast for a guy carrying 60 pounds, for a guy who's only been training for 70 days.

Here's the jock.

One way.

Heard a guy say he had done Mt. Si with a 60-pound pack in 1 hour 57 minutes. Does that seem reasonable? Is this another Dan - story? He doesn't describe himself as a hiker but in the last 70 days decided to get in shape for a big hill. I've never carried a big load on Si so I'm not sure what to think.

Your prof should understand something I consider to be very basic. "Hippie" ain't a skin color, it's a choice. Nobody should hesitate to grow his hair long, if he feels like this important. Similarly, nobody should hesitate to discuss what's inherently ridiculous about it. Here's some wisdom from FZ (We're Turning Again): So what the fuck? (What the fuck?) Now I've seen 'em tightenin' up they headbands On the weekend And they get loaded When they came to town They walked around in Greenwich Village To buy posters they could hang up In them smelly little secret Black light bedrooms On Long Island Singin': "Jimi come back!" Now come back and regulate the boy's fuzz-tone Your haze was so purple It caused your axis to be bold as love Now Jimi (feed back) gimme some feedback Come back and feed back on my knapsack You can feed back the fuzz tone from your wah-wah While you bend down And set your stuff on fire We can turn it around We can do it again We can go back in time Through the canyons of your mind On the eve of destruction We can act like we are Something really special You just jump in the bath-tub With that other guy Jim And make him be more careful We can visit Big Mama And wrap her on the back When she eats her sandwich (La la la la) We can take care of Janis When she gets so depressed She can't take it no more We can laugh at Keith Moon's jokes (Ha ha ha ha ha) And the colour TV (Ha ha) He threw out the windum From the second floor Everybody come back No one can do it like you used to If you listen to the radio And what they play today You can tell right away: All those assholes really need you!

OK, this is my final guess.

Highly unlikely. I'm betting LW = (Big) Lou Whitaker

Here's CG looking pensive: CG looking nearly ready for Hair Club: And looking for a little attention: