pope

A posthumous statement from Ulrich:

The itching, burning irritation of sunburn compounded by snow rash. Yow!!!!

There are some many things wrong with this picture! 1. The guy on the left forgot to put on his harness! Free solo! 2. He's wearing gaitors on a rock climb! 3. Are they sharing a sandwich? Perhaps they's tryin' to stick a B_LT!

We say, "Let's go particpate in that genre of climbing in which it is highly probable that we shall encounter females."

Actually, I think it goes like this: sport climbing:bouldering::game boy:T-ball

What are you thinking? You need to get real. Alpinism is what we do when we are out of shape for hard cragging.

Another explanation is that when an example of manly climbing sits squarely on their monitors, participants in this thread display difficulty recognizing it as such (somebody needs to point this out to them). Get a second opinion (from your sister ). Hey pinko, if you love the way they do things on the other side of the ocean, why don't you just move?

An alpine climb w/o difficult rock is merely a steep snow slog.

I see you have climbing and hiking as disjoint sets. Here's proof that the two activities can be equivalent:

Inductive reasoning.... based on your own situation?

Try it like this:

Don't concern yourself with being "pure". Mediocre climbers...or those of us who wish to experience the technical challenges without taunting death can put on a toprope and imagine what leading it would be like.

Don't tell me a dusting of chalk on the rock is somehow aesthetically equivalent to b_lts:

Is there anybody else that would be interested to see how phil jackson would do as a coach without jordan and co or shaq/kobe and co? My guess is he'd be an average coach. I really wouldn't doubt I could have won the NBA championship with the Jordan teams of the 90s. The Lakers have got a superstar at every position. When they lose, it will be a demonstration of Jackson's lack of ability to cultivate cohesion among a powerhouse of professionals.

That is a stupendous shot.

Even with the chalk trail, this is a manly climb. When he’s finished, he’ll leave the climb nearly in the condition he found it. Pope would say that the visual impact is ephemeral. A couple of good squalls will restore the route. BFD. I don’t have a problem with chalk, although if this climb were located in an area frequented by bird watchers and tree huggers, I would either leave it alone or perhaps I’d use a tinted chalk that matches the rock. You can berate the guy for being a hypocrite or whatever, but the fact remains that this is a climb requiring enormous balls. You aren’t going to be able to hang off some stupid-assed bolt while you mime the next two moves to a chorus of unsolicited beta from the clowns below. Bolts, unlike chalk, leave a permanent trail that facilitates cowardly ascents.

By this do you mean that somebody free climbed the roof pitch and placed all of the gear on the lead DURING the claimed "redpoint"? Or are we still talking about the fellow (name escapes me) who hung quickdraws from regulargly spaced knots in a static line tied off at the top of the pitch?

Ahhhh.....no doubt a reference to the famous Ferrari route on Fiat pinnacle.

What you're saying holds water, but what you have presented is a very large vessel containing very little water. Bolts are not necessary for increased traffic. Absolutely...who could argue with that? You may be interested to know that according the DDD retrobolter who contacted me, I was one of only two climbers interviewed (prior to retrobolting) who disapproved. In making his case for retrobolting, he continually returned to one point: the route is filthy because it sees no traffic. Adding bolts would stimulate the traffic necessary to keep the route clean. My response was that I didn't care whether the route was clean or dirty, whether it received 50 or 2 ascents each year, bolting it would be a mistake. I'm not sure how long you've been climbing but I've witnessed Smith and Vantage generate crowds that rival Belle Square's during the holidays, and I've also watched a number of Index's routes become filthy. But you're wasting your time trying to convince me that bolts don't stimulate increased traffic. Again, if you really believe what you're saying you may be in for a reality check. Finally, in case you don't know who you're talking to, I am in no need of a lecture on the language of logic.

Listen to yourself. Get a grip! I really don't care whether somebody else has a great experience of discovers something about themselves if they need to make major adjustments to wilderness the way they find it, and the way I expect to find it. Outside of that I encourage everybody to "send the sickness". Really. Hangdog it up, baby. Have a Mountain Dew. Sky's the limit. Anyway, I'm not sure you and Jay have the complete picture the current controversy.

Which is why the American public will never tolerate SUV's to be banned.

Hybrid anyone?

Have you convinced yourself that bolts haven't brought crowds to Vantage and I-90? It's too bad mental gymnastics is not an Olympic sport. From what I'm reading, local land managers and conservation groups have the opinion that climbers' impacts can be noticed in both the horizontal AND the vertical.