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How cool is that? Futuristic thinking frequently comes from the wisdom of a previous generation.

Costco? Fantastic! I purchased the three Beckey guides there for a total of $45.

Ouch! 6/14 at the novice level. Guess I've never been around a woman who needed to employ one of those naughty toys.

Huh? I can't play tennis with her? What are you implying?

Saw the film yesterday. Boy, that John AssCrack can sing!

I never go to Smith, but I can think of two: Zebra Seam and Lion's Chair (1st pitch).

In Off White's "situation", he's right that he can legally do whatever he wants (bolt a crack, attach a Metolius jug, etc.), since he owns the damn place. He only needs to convince himself that his modifications are superior to what Mother Nature has offered. In a more public setting, we share the resource. Whenever you place fixed gear, clean a flake, or (Heaven forbid) carve a hold, you are modfiying the rock in such a way that every subsequent party will be denied the chance for a "pioneering" experience. I think an underlying assumption is that the rock should dictate the climbing and the protection TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. If establishing a route requires massive engineering that you know will be met with disapproval, maybe it's not worth doing. Maybe you aren't really interested in rock climbing but could find the kind of challenge you're seeking at McDonald's Playland. If the majority of climbers do not wish to encounter plastic holds and bolted cracks, this needs to be respected in a shared space. The notion that we need "different ethics for different situations" is born of arrogance, an arrogance that says, "Screw tradition, screw the wilderness experience, screw what everybody else thinks..I know what's best for MY route." Reading through this thread I'm reminded of an episode in Smith Rock ethics where some climber used a hammer to soften the edge of a sharp jug because his girlfriend had complained about it. In his mind, he must have been carefully weighing how HIS situation called for suspending traditional guidelines. He probably imagined himself wrestling in that ethical gray area described by Off White. Everybody else thought he was an a__hole.

What some people won't do to get attention.

I think I understand what's supposed to be funny about it. I find it neither especially offensive nor remotely funny. I can't see where the author of this (or related material) is especially talented or clever. The crap that's on network television at 8:00 p.m. these days reflects this lack of talent as well as a public demand for "humor" that dwells on boobies and bedroom talk. Again, it's not that I'm particularly offended, I'm just not inclined to appreciate lazy writing, and I'm not impressed by entertainers/comedians who find it necessary to attack our "sacred cows".

People going bouldering! HA HA HA HI-LARIOUS!!! It's people going ... going ... they're going bo ... they're bouldering ... it's funny because ... um ... ... bouldering? Yeah, sure....it's a hilarious spectacle, a parade of countercultural types trampling through the brush bearing what appear to be Oprah-sized feminine napkins on their backs. The devil or Liberace?

Hey, this Super Bowl party was rockin' until Janet Jackson showed me her vintage boobies.

I don't think your "Baby Smashers" post is so terrible, just terribly stupid, in poor taste, and generally not funny. That you find it amusing is something for which you may wish to seek therapy. Regarding Janet's boob flop, the point is that the Super Bowl is, in many homes, a family-oriented event. Football and professional sports in general are marketed toward kids, and kids deserve a childhood. Jantet showing her seasoned boobies served only perpetutate her dwindling career. Face it, she's another retread from the last decade. I find it amusing that anybody would want to see her naked, puzzling that anybody would defend her action. She's had every opportunity to show her flopping utters in an appropriate venue. I support her right to get naked for an adults-only medium; the half-time show at the Super Bowl isn't the right place. Stonehead, since she is obviously a source of arousal for you, I'm happy that you got to see her. I only hope that her action hasn't kindled in you a new desire for aged women that will find you lurking behind the hedge at the senior center.

I'm guessing these guys are your heroes:

Drinks? No man, I'm living one day at a time. That's all behind me now and...what, are you buyin'?

They are about as close as the grid-bolts, too! Yeah....like....maybe they're sisters!

Huh, I think I recall turning around on an otherwise perfect day because of an overwhelming desire for pancakes. Wise little voice in stomach Seriously though, that was a good list up there. I know a guy who would turn around on a perfectly good day because he thought there might be some girlies in the campground. In retrospect, he was WAY smarter than I ever realized.

I was testing some search engines to see what kind of info might come up if "the man" started searching for things like "clambing" and "b_lting ethics" and "Mt. Garbfield" and such. The search for "blt" turned up the following: Here's a link if you would like to learn more about "blts".

I don't get it. Is this an event? Are you an old mofo? Do you mark it on your calendar when ol' Northwood pays a visit? Is this such a rare occasion that you are inspired to share it with a bunch of dorks who hang out on a bulletin board on a Friday night?

Look on the bright side. The law of averages suggests it should be very safe after these events.

Liberty Ridge being one of the 50 classics, I'm curious about what fraction of parties come from out of state. I would guess that climbers who arrive from other parts of the country are less likely to bail when conditions turn out to be less than perfect.

Was that image reversed? If so, I know the climb.

In general I think it's pretty good, although that belay on Bomb Shelter has got to be one of most shiznitty places on the planet. Some of the slings around that solution pocket are glued in place with "pigeon do". I highly recommend a N-95 mask up there.