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10) pub club 11) AT vs tele 12) -

misspelled is always misspelled, and wrong is always spelled wrong!

but the first book of Castaneda is the one based on his anthropological research, and starting with the second ones is the stuff he made up at least that's what people told me personally i was told there was 4 books, read all 4 now i find out there's like 8

alpinfox the 8th word in your reply is also misspelled, as is the 10th word in my reply to your reply

Did you know Lisa Rands has a Hello Kitty tattoo

where is your TR slothrop? :confused Bug's TR is pretty good except for the #8217's. You can get around this by saving it as a .txt file first...

i am such a bad person it is true, i made fun of scotteryx. it think it was all after muir on saturday but i could be wrong i have a lot of respect for scotteryx for growing up and becoming a sprayer i don't just criticize TRs but photos too. just last week i rated someone's photo essay 1 star because it was an out of focus butt shot i like to use the sarcastic icon---> too

historical chipping: on the first ascent of Mt. Meager in 1930's the FA team climbed one pinnacle only to find a nearby pinnacle was higher and harder looking. so they threw stones at the other summit until it fell over therefore making summit they were on the highest

isn't that chimney line "Green Man Gronks" or is that the other way in the canyon from Whiteman

YOU BUM!!! green with envy----> wicked wicked wicked quantum field

I only have one winter ale left too ---> Now or later I read today that Kelowna uses even more than West Van. Must be to put out all those fires

Yeah...you can't see bolts from the road - especially if they're powder coated, but you can see the cleaned off rock "trail" and ensuing chalk marks. To me the visual impact of all are related. exactly. so why not try to minimalize where we can? i do not use chalk ever because of this very reason. every activity has an impact to some extent (especially in nature) and it is our responsibility to minimalize this in every way we can. i am drinking beer in order to consume less freshwater

well you have kept most of your replies in the last 4 pages to one paragraph, see, maybe you are learning!

Turkey Day was Rope Up

maybe while taking the time to put together that well-thought-out post you can look up Concise and Brevity in the dictionary too

HEY THE BOLT IS OVER THERE!!!!! your belayer yells. Maybe Piep-Bolts are the solution. The pinging would indicate your proximity.

well there weren't any gear placements in the caves were there? so they didnt get the opportunity to complain about trad climbers

I'm with you on the self-centered and self-serving nature of many climbers, Scott, but most non-climbers see nothing wrong with bolts -- the people who get bent out of shape about this issue are almost exclusively climbers. And pretty much the only time it ever becomes an issue for land managers is when some climbers get into a row over it. That doesn't mean it is not a real issue, but your statement here is damn near 100% wrong. Like RuMR says - some of the peripheral impacts associated with sport climbing are real issues to folks other than climbers, but the bolts themselves are generally not. there are plenty of areas near Las Vegas where it was hikers who complained to the authorities because of the sudden proliferation of fixed draws, trails, landscaping, lawn chairs etc as remote limestone amphiteaters werre manicured into the next outdoor sport gym and wasn't it CAVERS who complained about the lava tubes near bend? or are they just a type of climber but different climate- different impact - not saying that hikers are complaining about Exit 38, they are probably unable to see the bolts under the curtain of moss and slugs anyway

the hole is rock damage a good argument for keeping bolt counts low by placing gear wherever possible i would like to see someone argue now that a route with 6 bolts bolted drilling by hand on lead, is better than the same route put up on rappel - i haven't seen that argument regurgitated pro and con for a while! Well, it goes like this: Given that any pussy can drill on rappel, those 6 bolt holes get multiplied by the scores of jokers who think that bolting on rap creates a lead. Now instead, if we agree that "leads" must be established on lead, and that bolts must be drilled by hand, just how often are those six holes going to appear? Answer me this, oh clever boy! not the question i was asking - two six bolt routes - bolts in same places - one drilled on lead one drilled on rap - argue merits of one over the other. it is just as easy to rap bolt a runout if you are a cheap bastard like me

you said they didnt cause ANY environmental impact i pointed out that a small hole is not "nothing", it is a very very small "something" but the main impact is visual, and even that is not so much the bolt itself (on granite slab they can be hard to see from 10 feet away) as it is fixed draws on sport routes and lines of chalked holds, and cracks get chalked just as bad but on the wider ones the chalk is hidden inside.... I don't think either pope or RumR has said anything new yet today and i wonder who thinks they are convincing who??? maybe mattp can make another 15-paragraph long post and put everyone to sleep

the hole is rock damage a good argument for keeping bolt counts low by placing gear wherever possible i would like to see someone argue now that a route with 6 bolts bolted drilling by hand on lead, is better than the same route put up on rappel - i haven't seen that argument regurgitated pro and con for a while!

what if you moved to Layton, Ut., and everyone in the town was named Mike or Michelle Anderson, and they all looked just like you

if you broke both your feet, would you go to the hospital or your chiropractor first?

Actually, there was one (CBS?), and the climber in the picture was flamed for "sewing it up". I think it was dryad's trip report. That was dryad's first alpine trad lead and she did well to sew it up. The person who ridiculed her was properly chastized by others, if I recall correctly. here is the tr in question I wouldn't call it a TR. It is more like a picture, Caveman style. Catbirdseat made the post. that villainous, evil KLENKE did the horrble flaming!!!

you can have my closet, it's last occupant is "out" now