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quote: Originally posted by Lambone: After reading this thread I just thought it was funny how everyone jumped on the FUCK LARRY bandwagon...but I think mattp has a right to be upset, and he did the right thing by writting the letter to the supervisor. However, my 10 year old cousin could have made a stronger argument in writting. The letter posted on the first page of this thread reads as imature and unfounded. If I was Larry's boss I'd be laughing and filling it in the circular file. Nothing personal mattp, once again, good luck. Lammy, Once again you have made me very happy that you are not running anything more important to me than a climbing gym. For VW's sake, I hope they don't give you much decision-making authority either. Whatever happened to those survey results you promised us?

quote: Originally posted by slothrop: Oh, and get a #1 Hexentric. I've placed it on nearly every route, and sometimes it's the only piece on my little rack that works. Wow, you must have a pretty small rack! (i.e. Don't listen to that guy! He is (should buy) nuts! ) But seriously, if somebody really wants one of those things, I'll sell you mine. Cheep! I'll sell 1 #1 Hexentric for $1 or a bottle of beer . I'll bring it to the next Pub Club I bring myself to. I got other Hexes I would part with too.

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I smoke. I don't think I would have smoked in the hut though..

Calm down Dave. Tuesday is five days away. You know, like after this weekend.

Peter, There are already MANY places as nice as the Taylor River where one can drive and take the family. There are also MANY remote and wild places in the Cascades. There are NOT that many places as nice as the Hardscrabble Creek area where one can drive. Many folks are smug about gating the road because they feel superior in their fitness and ability to take lots of time away from home. They see this as an opportunity to get another place where they can be the elite. Many of the same are really burned by the fact that others (with less athletic prowess) can drive up there while they are not up to the task themselves. I don't think it's "fair" to take away a RARE and valuable resource, and turn it into something that is already available. Why not improve the road to Taylor River (which is already funded thanks to Slade), pick up the garbage, etc. AND NOT gate the road at Dingford. I don't see why improvement of the lower road necessitates removal of the upper road. Wilderness elite can still find plenty of solitude in the Pasayten, the Pickets, Glacier Peak area, the Olympics, or anywhere 1/2 mile from the Dutch Miller Trail.

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Some of you people are silly. You never know who this guy is or what shape he may be in. No shit! He could be some psycho killer who is just waiting you knock your melon while you're smoking out in the Muir Hut.

... or tape.

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: The real question is why a Squamish site has a groovy L-Worth route as its prize photo! Agreed. The least the guy could do would be to reference the book he scanned the photo out of. That guy's got some cool photos on his page. Maybe I could put a couple of 'em on mine .

According to Smoot Beckey called it 5.8 (Smoot's take on Angel). Also note on that page that Smoot has further upgraded Angel Crack to 10b. Hey you history guys...when did jamming come to the PNW? I remember hearing that Beckey and others liebacked all this stuff, then someone brought jamming back from Yosemite and things changed. When did this happen?

Here's who to talk to about the Middle Fork Road closure: Doug Schrenk 425-888-1421 ext 233, email dschrenk@fs.fed.us [ 05-02-2002, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: chucK ]

quote: Originally posted by mikeadam: I've talked with FS folks about this and so far the area seems safe for a bit longer. There will be some keys available for certain climbing organizations and guided parties so maybe you can get on an access list? Is this for real or are you just trolling? I suppose they will give the keys to those orgs like the Mounties and the Sierra Club who are in favor of shutting it down (Is the WTA in favor of gates too?). Then they get to have their cake and eat it too. That really sucks

quote: Originally posted by Matt: the first people there get to set up the TRs on all Godzilla and all those LTW classics. And we could wear helmets with our names on 'em, so people pissed off at our gang roping would think we were musketeers.

Mt. Chaval Little Big Chief Black Peak Sherpa Peak Mt. Stuart

And Erik just from reading stuff here, it is obvious that you have a soul in need of saving . You are probably on every Xtian mailing list around.

Hey all you out there who have been abused by Officer Larry, Mattp can't do this all on his own. You guys would help the cause a lot by sending in polite letters of your own. No need to get all legalese or anything. Just detail your less than pleasant experiences with him. Probably best to stick with the issue of Officer Larry, and not get into the quagmire of the fee demo project. Leave that for another letter. I'm sure Mattp's communications will have a lot more weight if a bunch of reports from various citizens start rolling in. I'd do it, but I haven't fallen victim to OL yet. Guess I better get out there. Perhaps we should all gather at SC parking lot on June 15th, 2002 Day of Action.

Next week! Index is Eastside!

Matt, Did he state or did you ask if car prowls have been a problem in the SC parking lot? You don't look like a car prowler to me .

Charlie, I done it twice. Once without falling. Once with falling. The crux portion is easy to protect (small stoppers then cams around 1", a couple). The time I fell, I didn't hit anything. quote: The topo I have is pretty vague- do you come at the roof crack from the left or the right? Don't know what you mean by this. See Outer Space Beta. That should spell it out and more. quote: What size is the crack?It's more like face climbing pulling the roof, then off-fingers. quote: Is it overhanging once you pull the roof? No. quote: Is the crux pulling the roof, or just getting into it? I fell about 10' above the roof (too pumped). quote: Anybody want a belay bitch to follow them through this pitch? I'm ready to try it again. I'm scared of that cop though.

Yesterday at the Lower Town Wall. Just got down from the Godzilla area and TimL came over to us. He heard major rockfall and asked if we had let it loose. No, we hadn't. Went over to the Thin Fingers/Tatoosh area and witnessed lots of bright-white smashed rubble scattered about. If you hadda been belaying Thin Fingers, you probably mighta woulda got creamed. Helmet would not have helped. We saw some dudes up on Tatoosh/Free at Last area about 3-4 pitches up, and figured it prudent to leave the area. If you guys up on Tatoosh read this board, did you knock down a whole bunch of rock yesterday? TimL, Did you ever find out anything else?

quote: Originally posted by erik: restore original lower town trail.... Was there yesterday. Found that new trail-let that everybody was bitching about. It is now under a bunch of logs and debris obviously put there to discourage travel and impaction. Guess that trail was nipped in the bud. Looks like someone went to a lot of work for nothing (making that trail) but it looked to me like that additional trail was quite unnecessary.

I went to Index yesterday. Hope you had fun driving

I don't think it would be polite or smart to boulder under someone leading. The original post specified the "victims" were toproping.

quote: Originally posted by mattp: Because Ingalls Peak is a frequent destination for organized groups like the mountaineers, the person who contemplates this might also consider sending polite letters to such organizations, suggesting they inform their trip leaders that there will no longer be fixed anchors on the route. How about just posting here on CC.com complete with snaps from the crowbar party? Crowbar pose, crows, and prose. There is precedent. [ 04-24-2002, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: chucK ]

J, I have reread your initial post. I don't think there's any problem with some boulderer "invading someone's space" like you say, unless they were endangering that person (like bouldering above them). You specifically stated that these peoples were toproping, so no endangering it sounds like to me. quote: I can understand this kind of behavior in a climbing gym, but at the crag? Why would it be acceptable to do this stuff in a gym but not at a toprope crag?