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I believe that it was the Trust for Public Lands which became the primary group which brought on the purchase of the Pinnacles. But I could be wrong here. But my points are: 1) I believe groups have learned from the Pinnacles experience, and that is why Index was approached differently 2) I don't know if it is reasonable to think that all a group has to do is gift some land to the Washington State Parks, and then the parks assumes the responsibility to maintain the land forever. Future budget problems were something that neither the SP's and TPL thought about in 1991. All these ideas about Community Groups taking over management of the Park is a good idea, as is the fact that early plans allowed for the continued public use of mothballed parks. The Chelan County Sheriff, and their shoot first policy will have to be notified in no uncertain terms. And be ready to listen to whining about "206ers". But what is clear is that the demographics if the Peshastin Pinnacles has radically changed since the '70's, and the primary user of this park is Chelan County locals having a picnic and pleasant hike

Ever been to Index?

Fair question, and the answer is that it is not recommended. And not because it may reflect poorly on climbers, or any of that Socialist drivel. It is not recommended because you'll probably get caught, fined and possibly thrown into the Greybar hotel. Since its inception, the Chelan County Sheriffs Department has enforced the closure of the Peshastin Pinnacles with marked Draconian glee. It is almost a certainty that you will be caught. The actions of the Chelan County Sheriffs Department played a huge roll in how the WCC approached the State Parks in their recent negotiations over the Index land purchase. If I understand correctly, Index is to be referred to as the "Stimson Bullet State Rock Climbing Reserve", and hopefully will avoid much of the land closures and heavy handed management that has befallen the Pinnacles

Which did, according to more than one biography include spousal abuse

Remove this sentence: This book was published in 2002, when Bryan was what? 47?

There was a huge amount of conflicting information regarding Mr Albert on the web yesterday. All the news was very grim. This morning Supertopo has given a link to the local PD in Germany, where the death of Kurt Albert has been confirmed ST

Cochise is a good place. The camping on the eastern side is accessed by a paved road, and has both developed and un-developed campsites. It also remains in the shade longer, both in the morning and the evening. Camping on the western approaches is typical in one of two areas: at the end of the road, and near and before the Sheepshead. The approach to the road head is burly, and can be difficult for vehicles other than light trucks and SUV's. Like the developed eastern campsite, it can be shady. The camping near the Sheepshead is on BLM rangeland and there are no "common" campsites. It is sunny from sunrise to sunset. All the western camping is 9 to 19 miles from Tombstone, and further from any store that sells more than beer, pop, and chips. Non climbing activities are limited to hiking, and probably horse (dude) back riding. Given the extensive history of the area, I'm sure there are a number of ruins around the area. Not far away is Chiricahua NM, Saguaro NP, Fort Bowie National Historic Site, the historic mining town of Bisbee, an extensive (but not open to the public) collection of helicopters on 191 south of the Interstate, the well known flight museum at/associated with Davis-Motham. One can also hang with the militia members near Douglas, and protect our southern border, as well as ogle Go-go girls and get your self a hooker near Fort Huachuca. Sidle up next to a spook at Fort Huachuca City, and find out what the Taliban is up to. Maybe even use a Predator to take out a terrorist on a iPhone app. It can be cool, but not worrisome so, and will probably be sunny

Got a stalker, or are you going to start stalking?

Don't lie, you did not get a permit, and it would be impossible to get one without a stamped set of plans. Climbing walls are considered "cabinets", and permits are not required to add cabinets, except in cases of egreess in a multi-family or commercial setting

It is not "fully accessable", to get to the breaker you have to navigate a narrow cave. That may be fine for re-setting trip circuit breakers, but anyone working on a hot box is in a dangerous situation. You could easily add doublers to either side stud, put in a hearder, and make a large removable panel which would also give you safe access as per 110.26

National Electrical Code (NEC) 110.26 Spaces around electrical equipment (2) Width of Working Space: The width of the working space in front of the electrical equipment shall be the width of the equipment or (30 in.), which ever is greater. In all cases, the work space shall permit at least 90 degrees opening of equipment doors or hinged panels. (B) Clear spaces: Working space required by the section shall not be used for storage Furthermore, most authorities having jurisdiction will require a space of 3' deep and panel width plus 18" to one side for access to an electrical panel. The location of your wall is poorly considered

Your story is heartbreaking. I hope your Snoopy dog shows up.

A interesting juxtapostion of thought Shouldn't all this be shuffled off to the Columbia River Gorge thread, since the Portland crowd has taken over this tyhread, and turned it into their own sandbox replete with toddler poo?

Not everyone agrees, there are quite a few folks that went through the trouble of taking college and even (gasp) grad school seriously, never mind the expense and lack of recognition. One thing to remember is that we spend billions on stealth and sports and squat on things like conservation, so not so fair to insult those who actually do what little work gets done. Well, I'm sorry your delicate little feelings got hurt by mean old me, much less by society at large, which fails to recognize your work. What I was trying to say, which you cannot grasp between your self sorrowful gasps of pity, is that additional work is needed to understand the affect of climbers on raptors. I apologize if you construed anything I said as an insult Except this post

There is a lost and found section, you know

Your questions are good, and I think everyone agrees that there is no sound guidelines for closures. Areas are closed "because" of falcons. I thought that the AF was going to have a real-life biologist study this problem This statement is wildly untrue. The SE face of El Cap has had seasonal closures from the Dawn Wall to the NA, starting about 1975

we wanna hear it

RP's are not bashies. Bashies are similar to copperheads.

It would be nice if my shit-house opinion was needlessly jaundiced. The FS has pit toilets at the Tumwater penstock bridge and at Stevens Pass. To my knowledge, these locations have not received the severe mistreatment that has occurred at Vantage by (?) concert goers. Another question: Now that the necessary budget has been trimmed by the removal of bridge construction, what is planned with the remaining funds???

Everyone involved should feel fortunate that there is not a need to build a bridge over the RR tracks. Such a structure could run to $250-300K very easily, depending on ADA requirements, geo-technical and engineering requirements. And any pit toilets are going to be pricey, but given the number of homeless people, meth-heads and partyers, any toilet is (probably) going to be un usably crammed with (non-crap) crap. I would also imagine a pit toilet will run about $50K. Most places where pit toilets are used successfully are in locations where access is denied except for during operating hours. This would be a large change to the status quo at Index, and may be met with resistance

I climbed at Vantage during a Hootie and the Blowfish concert. All night long was just a nightmare of asshole Hootie fans screaming, yelling and firing off guns. I would think that DMB fans are just as big as assholes as Hootie fans. At least Hootie went away, I wish DM would too

Oops Punch in parcel number 100 300 000 0400

https://www.snoco.org/proptax/(qdths455r0ldim45f4q2li55)/search.aspx?address=%2A%2A There it is in black and white

Very good news. I wasn't aware that the parking lot was another parcell. And what is this about a bridge over the RR?

Entering into an on-line debate justifying the amount your employer is willing to pay for photographs isn't the summit of intellectual peakdom, guide or on guide