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Pelican started following [TR] Tower Rock - FA - Rapunzel's Back in Rehab - C1 7/15/2015
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Some updates on Rapunzel. Last year (6/20/24) I attempted the route and ended up having to bail at the top of pitch 3 as my partner was not feeling it. However, last weekend (7/18/25) my wife and I went back out and followed the trail of bolts up to the summit! This is a very under appreciated route up a gnarly/chossy formation! Here is a trip report with some beta spray if anyone is digging for more information. TR 7/18/25: My wife and I tackled this for my 40th birthday over 2 days big wall style (haul bag and portaledge). Took our time and just tried to enjoy our time on the wall. Gear that we used: 14 quickdraws (only used them all on a couple pitches), 2 Petzl Regelette hooks, Kong Panic draw (helpful for shorter climbers), and a 5' cheat stick (came in handy a few times). Dropped off bikes at the end of the 1 mile trail down from the summit, just stashed in the woods. Drove back down and set up a bivy near the approach trail. Arrived at about 5PM on 7/18/24. Hiked up a load of water/gear and fixed the first two pitches before heading back down for the night. 1 70m rope will reach the ground from the top of the 2nd pitch. Cleaned up the approach trail a bit on the way back down. Hiked up the rest of the supplies the next morning at 6AM and started jugging and hauling. Pitch 1: low angle moss ‘n’ choss. There are a couple of hook moves but they can easily be bypassed with a 4-5’ cheat stick. Monica didn’t want to get on any hooks. Some mossy free climbing toward the top but it’s easy. Hauling this pitch is tough due to the extra friction and ledges. Somebody needs to babysit the bag while jugging. Nice belay ledge up top. Pitch 2: really fun pitch down low with some massive top step moves! Many hooks as the topo says. If you can’t find any of the drilled holes just top step as high as you can and feel around, you should find them. There are never more than 2 hook moves in a row. Toward the top, there is some very sketchy free climbing that with your aid ladders in the way, mossy rock and no climbing shoes, feels like 5.9+ for a couple moves. Full on half pad crimp a good distance over your pro while your feet are on moss. Pretty spooky! Hauling is pretty straight forward on this pitch. A little bit of low angle grass coming up to the anchor but with some yanking on the rope, you can clear it. Another nice belay ledge. Pitch 3: this is a long and very fun pitch! Vertical to slightly overhanging and your first glimpse of exposure on this rock. Lots of top step moves and hook moves. One hook move was never found, had to break out the cheat stick. Hanging belay. Makes a really nice bivy spot with a portaledge (set up here on last year’s failed attempt) hauling is nice and easy for this pitch. Pitch 4: one of the money pitches! Super fun and wildly exposed traverse. Just 1 hook move that leaves you hanging in space under the hook. Very big moves as others have mentioned. Monica forgot her lower-out tat in the haul bag and made for a very difficult follow. Especially at the hook move. You definitely want something to leave behind to lower yourself off of if you are not 6ft tall. Even re-aiding it was very tough for her. Hauling is easy with a big lower out, bag is free hanging. Might be an okay bivy spot but not as good as pitch 3. Pitch 5: another long vertical pitch with a lot of big moves and hooks. Similar to pitch 3, lots of fun. Hauling is straight forward but you do need to lower out the bag to the left. Pitch 6: pretty easy with good bolt spacing. Only one large move that requires a super top step while using natural features. Short traverse up top is easy. There is even a quickdraw left on the first bolt of the traverse for the follower to lower out from, thank you to whomever left that, it is still there. Hauling is not bad here with a ~15’ lower out. Anchor is on a sloping ledge (mossy) but is pretty great to stand on after so much time hanging. We set up ledge here and fixed pitch 7. Extended the ledge down with 120cm slings to get the portaledge down below the natural ledge. Super dirty/mossy place to camp! We did a lot of gardening to make this a better place to camp. Amazing views and cool position! Haul bag docked just above us on the natural ledge. Set up camp around 4PM and relaxed for the rest of the evening. Pitch 7: pretty easy but definitely a quirky pitch. Bolt spacing was great, be prepared to cover your belayer in moss! Not a particularly fun pitch to haul on but not terrible. Follower had to clear the bag of obstacles all the way up. Nothing too crazy though. It’s best for the follower to jug just above the height of the haul bag so they don’t get showered in moss and chose. Pitch 8: very lackluster pitch, mostly low angle moss wrangling. This whole pitch is just work you have to get through in order to make it to the next pitch. Basically a scramble to move the belay. Hauling is just dragging your bag across all kinds of moss and choss. Pitch 9: this pitch really is kinda scary when thinking about the size of rocks that could possibly come down. Climbing is challenging as well compared to the rest of the route or maybe it was just mental since we were on such high alert. We trundled a few loose rocks that were in the bolt line. At the belay for this pitch, there is a big rock you can hide behind which protects you from possible massive rocks coming down. Monica led this pitch while I hid behind the belay rock. Since the pitch is overhanging, the bags are mostly free hanging so she hauled the bag up to the point where it comes to a roof just below the anchor while I remained sheltered at the bottom. Once bags were at that point, I re-aided the pitch as to not disturb the rock as much as possible. Once I was above the haul bag, I then pulled the bag over the roof while staying above it. Not too bad if you are careful but you definitely want to take extra care on this pitch. Pitch 10+11 linked: I don’t know that I would link these two pitches next time just due to the path of the haul bag. Pitch 10 goes up and left around a corner, then pitch 11 goes up and right around the back side of the formation. This makes the hauling incredibly high friction (your quads will be burning). Anyway, the climbing is straight forward. Bolt spacing at the beginning of pitch 10 is pretty close together then about 1/4 way up turns into evenly spaced top steps. Once you get the rhythm, this pitch is a cruiser. Pitch 10 anchor is in a kind of awkward spot but I kept climbing past it. Pitch 11 is short and has one tough move early on. One bolt was very far away and required a big free move to reach. A cheat stick could used here to bypass this move. Anchor up top is on a pretty nice ledge which made that gnarly haul at least somewhat comfortable. This belay is on lower angle terrain but would be a reasonable option for setting up a bivy with a portaledge. Pitch 12: This pitch is super fun and very steep! Comfortable bolt spacing and wild exposure! Would be much easier for the follower if you didn’t clip any of the bolts but I was not that bold. Jugging this pitch will require some lower out tat or something as this wall is crazy steep. We left some 550 paracord loops on a few of the bolts to lower out from. Hauling is simple as the bag hangs free the whole way until just below the anchor where you can manage it from the top. Pitch 12.5 (moving the belay across the short traverse): Fixed line is in really bad shape. All bolts have biners holding the fixed line. There is a figure 8 on the fixed line clipped to the first bolt and the rope is hanging but a couple core strands. I used the line very gently to aid in reaching each bolt. Follower re-aided this to get across as well. This can be a little spooky as this slab that you traverse across is covered in moss and steeper than you would want to comfortable walk across. Doing a big lower out would be scary as you would go under a roof where the rock quality is unknown. Your rope could dislodge some huge rocks; best to stay up at the bolt line. This is the crux of the hauling. While it is only about a 30-40’ traverse, you don’t want the bag to go down below the ledge. Belayer needs to lower out the bag while the leader hauls to keep tension on the haul line. This keeps the bag moving laterally and not going down below where who knows what would happen to the rock, rope, bags. We spent a fair amount of time getting this right. Pitch 13+14 linked: From here you can see the top! Linking these two shorter pitches is the way to go. Pitch 13 finishes to the right then pitch 14 finishes back over to the left making it a straight shot to the top. Climbing is straight forward but be mindful of what bolts you clip on the way up to prevent rope drag and make a nice straight jug for the follower. The anchor for pitch 14 is a tree just on the edge of the summit. There is a pretty old nylon sling around this tree but the tree is dead. I’m sure it’s fine but to be safe, we made our own tree anchor and backed it up to the last bolts. Fixed lead line to the bolts and hauled off of the tree. Nice easy haul. The final trick of the route is getting your bag up onto the summit proper since the tree anchor is right at the edge, your bags are hanging just over the edge here. We had one person just grab the rope and pull onto the summit while the other wrestled the bag up over the edge. Nothing too wild here. We reached the summit at 5PM. While organizing gear, I noticed that I didn’t have my headlamp. Oops, I left it in one of the pockets of the portaledge! Not about to unpack that now to get it, surely there is plenty of daylight left, right? The fun isn’t over yet though! Now the task was to get all of our gear down the 1 mile trail to where we stashed our bikes. I say down the trail but really, it’s up the trail. This trail goes steeply down for about 1/10th of a mile then steeply up about 600’ from there. For me, this was the crux of the whole adventure while carrying the haul bag. Eventually we made it to our bikes and dropped all of the weight off there. Rode our bikes about 5 miles down the forest road to the main road and back around to the road going up to the bivy by the approach trail. By time we got down there it was getting dark and to save time, we ended up dropping our bikes just before that road starts going up the hill and bushwhacked straight up the hill. This is the shortest line back to the bivy but in the dark (with only one headlamp) and the density of the forest, this was gnarly! There was even a 20’ wall we had to scramble up using trees and ferns haha. Eventually, we popped out right by the truck and drove back around and up to where we stashed the gear. By time we had everything loaded up in the truck it was now 11:30 PM and we bivied near the trail where the gear was stashed. Ate dinner and slept like the dead! No major issues overall and things went very smoothly, 10/10 would do it again. Such an adventure! This is a worthy objective for anyone getting into big walling but certainly not one to be taken lightly as it is tough and will work you mentally and physically. Huge thank you to Ivan, Bill, Geoff and anyone else that may have worked on this for all the work you put in on this under appreciated route up this huge choss pile! The amount of effort put into taking this line to the top is incredible. Yes, some of the bolts are quite far apart and can be really tough for a shorter climber but really, that adds to the adventure in my opinion, yes it is a bolt ladder but it’s not easy! That’s a good thing. If this line were more desirable, someone would get hurt. Climbing this while there is another party on the wall would be gnarly. For now, get out here and get on it!
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I am the buddy and I do not own a drone. buttshots only, this is real alpinism.
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first ascent Sloan Peak - [FA] Borrowed Time (WI5 M7)
Murray replied to Michael Telstad's topic in North Cascades
Big fomo, big stoke. Stuff like you and Tuckers work on Sloan is defining the ethos of Alpinism for this era in the NW. Can't wait to go develop some rapport with Sloan. Great work and great report. -
I believe John Plotz blew an anchor while skiing TC.
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Funny how that works! I thought the chimney was super fun. I've done a good bit of 5.mud in my day but that one got to me.
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Always great to see a report like this! That’s one hell of an adventure and I think it was smart to not force the weather issue. You guys covered more ground quicker than anybody else I’ve seen on it as well! Nice work.
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Nice work! I'm the opposite sort of soft to you. Was fine with the mud scramble to get onto the forbidden glacier, but HATED that loose chimney pitch!
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Wow! Dirigo, indeed.
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Eric and I did do something up there a couple years ago. I added a very rough photo of where I think we went. Kind of a blur though. We found some nice cracks and a lot of moss. Observed tat all over the place on various trees. I do remember we descended via the le petit cheval gully.
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This past Saturday, Trey and I made an 18hr C2C ascent of the NW face (ridge). Neither of us had been to the area before and were keen to check it out. Here's a little write up about two rock climbers going glacier walking and getting gripped. We left the car at 3:30am, enjoying good trail and crisp morning air. Passing several nice groups of folks on their way to climb Sahale (apparently the route of the weekend but we missed the memo). We soon arrived to Boston Basin and made our way up to Sharkfin col. Here we made a route finding error, assuming it would be the obvious snow gully to notch with a beaten in path. Both of us glazed over this part in researching the route. Whoops. Eventually realizing we were too far east, we descended to the correct gully. (Boston Glacier view from the wrong notch) Two raps brought us onto the snow. We snacked and rested for a bit, soaking in the enormity of the Boston glacier & Mt. Logan across the valley. We roped up and set off. As I led us through the maze of the glacier I came to accept two things: 1) I will fall into a bottomless pit at any moment, without warning. 2) I will never understand why people like glacier travel. (Boston Glacier - Sharkfin Col directly above Trey) We arrived at the North ridge notch and started up. I am really soft and this was one of the most fucked up bits of climbing I have ever done. It's quite steep dirt, but has too much gravel in it to create steps or just slam a crampon into. It just crumbles away as your try to make a step, also providing nearly nothing you can hold onto. So to climb it you are more or less kicking in an insecure feeling front-point into the muddy gravel with no hands, then standing up onto this single point, trusting your life to it. Rinse and repeat. I would suggest future parties climbing this in mid july climb over rock a bit further south on the N ridge and do a rap or two on the other side to the glacier. It would at least be protectable. Walking down the forbidden glacier to the toe of the NW face was very pleasant and served up incredible views. (Starting up what would be the Crux of the day. Looking back at N ridge notch) We took a lunch break at a nice flat spot and sized up the steepest bit of glacier yet to access to rock. It was quite a lot more broken up, with more ice exposed than expected. Armed with approach shoes, aluminum 'pons, an ultralight axe and no snow/ice pro this last section proved to be the most daunting. (Looking up at NW face. Route access from the right) I led us up, finding a narrow sliver of passable snow between the ice and crevasses to level with the access at ~7200ft. It was a mess of glacial chunder. Looking up, we spotted a ramp of snow at ~7500ft that would potentially provide access and we committed to continuing up. At several points there was only an inch of snow over ice which provided some quite puckering travel. Eventually we reached the snow ramp. It turned out to be at most 4 inches thick so we did a traversing lower off a bollard and finally onto the rock. A wave of relief came over us once on the rock. Back to my happy place. After hanging out on a ledge for a while, we headed up. The rock was much better than expected and provided excellent ridge climbing. We solo'd the route in 2 hours & downclimbed the West Ridge + cat scratch in another 2 hours, stopping at the bottom of the ridge to chat with some kind people who attempted the West ridge. (NW Face) "You can tell we're at the top because of the views" -Trey (Downclimbing the W ridge) Once down & off the snow, we rested on some nice slabs then chatted at high camp with some folks about their climbs the next day before leisurely hiked out of Boston basin in incredible evening light. While not quite on par with the CNR of Stu, The NW face + W ridge is a very high quality & fun ridge outing. If not for the price of admission, this would be one of the most popular climbs in the state. Don't be like us and sandbag yourself in late July on a low snow year. I'll do anything to not wear boots but having light boots and proper crampons would have made things much faster & more safe. Gear: We brought singles 0.2-#2 & some nuts (didn't use it but it was nice insurance), 7.8mm 60m rope, approach shoes, aluminum crampons, UL axe, some glacier kit.
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[TR] Gunsight - E and SW faces of Middle, S ridge of South 07/13/2025
Reebz replied to JonParker's topic in North Cascades
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[TR] Markhor and Needle Peak - Traverse 07/07/2025
Grant789 replied to JasonG's topic in British Columbia/Canada
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My hands are still cold! https://spokalpine.com/2025/07/21/dakobed-glacier-peak-frostbite-ridge-ii-ai2/
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Southern Pickets Traverse attempt: 7/8-7/9/25
Michael Telstad replied to SMarj's topic in North Cascades
A classy traverse in even classier style. You spared yourself the worst choss by skipping Frenzelspitz. -
I look forward to hearing about your anniversary climbs! Then & Now pictures!
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Interesting trip report. I’ve read another trip report in that the team bailed (Vince who wrote the Black Cun guide). Is the route just a piece of shit? Warren and I had a fun time doing it in 1996, but maybe that’s cos all we were doing back then is climbing lots and lots. Anyway, thanks for sharing this. Cam
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Are you still looking? I have a 45L and a 60L. Size Small I think.
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On July 8th at 1:20am, Felipe Guarderas and I began walking up the Goodell Creek drainage with the intention of traversing across the Picket Fence skyline. We ended up climbing just a few peaks shy of the “proper” traverse but had a wonderful time moving through a ton of incredible terrain and we are very content with our execution and style of the traverse. By the time we began to walk out, we had already begun to scheme when our next trip into the range will be. We had about 56 hours of high pressure and we knew that the traverse would be an uphill battle to complete before the rain arrived. We opted to climb in a stripped down, lightweight style carrying a small bivy kit and tarp to maximize our ability to move in the terrain. We carried two dinners and two breakfasts just in case we would need to bivy a second night and we both carried about 3000 calories/person per day. Approaching the Southern Pickets in the early morning of Day 1. We had a rack and a half of cams, aluminum semi auto crampons, 70m 8.5mm rope and shared a single Petzl gully. We both had 40L packs and carried a small puffy, vest, wind jacket and hardshell rain jacket. We hoped that we wouldn’t have to deal with any rain but wanted to be prepared if the weather arrived a bit early. The approach went smooth with lots of snow above 6000’ and we arrived at the base of Little Mac at 7:30am. We enjoyed a long break on the warm rock and attempted to dry out our approach shoes and socks from the long snowy walk above the tree line. Soloing over to the base of Little Mac. We scrambled the exposed heather ledges to the base of the 5th class climbing on Little Mac and then launched up into the 5.7 terrain above. After a bit of terrain confusion, my pace started to increase and I began to find the flow through the exposed face climbing on the upper panel of Little Mac. We continued climbing up to the summit and continued up and over the three Macmillan spires. East Face of East MacMillan. Summit of East MacMillan. I had attempted the traverse last August with Dan May, and we had made it to the backside of Terror before pulling the plug and retracing our steps back over the East Face and down into Crescent Creek Basin. This go around I felt more familiar with the terrain and moved a bit quicker through some of the confusing 5th class terrain that Dan and I struggled to read last year. We continued simuling and soloing across the skyline until we reached the base of East Tower #5, where we broke the rope out and Felipe fired the stiff 5.8 pitch to the summit. We rapped into the familiar gully of Inspiration Peak and soon after found ourselves at the base of the East Face of Inspiration. Felipe led up the impeccable pitches on the East Face of Inspiration before we rappelled down to the Inspiration-Pyramid Col and continued racing towards our hopeful bivy at the base of Mount Terror. P1 on the East Face of Inspiration Peak. P2 on the East Face of Inspiration Peak. Pyramid and Degenhardt went quickly and we reached the base of Terror at around 7pm. Tired but very psyched on all the terrain we had travelled. There were minimal bivy options and the wind had increased throughout the day out of the south. Pyramid's 5.8 Chimney Pitch. Instead of enduring a lumpy dirt bivouac in the wind, we opted to utilize a large snow moat beside a large boulder that marks the start of the East Face of Mount Terror. We spent an hour kicking in a suitable flat spot large enough for the both of us and settled into a heavy night of sleep before an early wake up the next day. Our snow moat bivy at the base of Mount Terror. We awoke at 3:30am and were well into our first simul block when the sun began to paint the east face at around 5am. We continued up and over Terror, onto the Rake’s extensive ridgeline and over the Blob and the Blip. Felipe on top of Mount Terror. One of the highlight pitches of the traverse was the knife edge ridge climbing of the East Twin Needle. It was a superb pitch of climbing in a very wild position. We hit the summit of East Twin Needle right around noon and the increase in winds made it obvious that a low pressure system was on its way. Felipe cruising the wild climbing on the East Twin Needle. On top of West Twin Needle. We reached the base of the Himmelhorn at 1:45pm and Felipe hiked the crux pitch of the traverse in good time. One more pitch brought us to the top of the Himmelhorn and we high fived and kept moving over to the rappels. Six total rappels brought us to the Himmel-Otto Col and by then it was about 3:30pm and fairly windy. With the Ottohorn and Frenzelspitz still ahead of us, we discussd the pros and cons of traversing the ominous choss gully over to Frenzelspitz, climbing the last peak and then retracing our steps. It seemed as though the loose terrain would eat up a ton of time and with inclement weather on the horizon it seemed like a death march out of Stump Hollow would be inevitable if we choose to complete the traverse by the book. Base of the Himmelhorn. P2 of the Himmelhorn. Looking back at P2 of the Himmelhorn. Instead, we left our gear at the Himmel-Otto Col, soloed the Ottohorn and then descended back to the col. We felt okay with our decision to leave out Frenzelspitz and began our long descent back down to the car. On top of the Ottohorn, looking back at the West Face of the Himmelhorn. One overhanging rappel brought us to snow in the gully and we moved quickly down to the heather benches of the Crescent Creek Drainage. We hit the Barrier Col at 7pm and were able to quickly find the trail down into Stump Hollow. The Himmel-Otto Couloir. I stupidly got us lost as we began our last descent to Terror Creek and we spent the next few hours making slow progress bushwhacking down to Terror Creek, across the river and back up to the Goodell Creek Trail we had approached on. Goats on top of the Barrier Col. By the time we both reached the cars it was 1am on July 9th. Just under 48 hours since we began walking uphill. Although we didn’t complete the full traverse, we are content with our style and timing. At around 7am, it began to rain down in Newhalem and we were psyched to be sleeping in our cars rather than high up in the mountains. We also figure this likely won’t be the last time we’ll be in the Pickets and it’s nice to have a few peaks to come back to… A huge thanks is in order for Wayne Wallace, Mark Bunker and Colin Haley for their initial vision for the traverse and to Jeff and Priti Wright who’s beta was invaluable throughout the trip. Additionally, Jens Holsten, Sol Werkin, Chad Kellogg and Dan Hilden’s vision for a full enchainment of the Picket Range inspired us immensely and we are pretty mind blown at what those guys were able to do over 8 days! https://sam-marjerison.blogspot.com/2025/07/picket-fence-traverse-attempt.html Gear Notes: 70m 8.5mm rope Singles .2-3, Doubles .4-2, Small Rack of Stoppers 6x Single Length Slings, 4x Double Length Slings, 2x UL Quickdraws Aluminum Crampons & Shared Petzl Gully Windburner Stove + 2x 4oz fuel cans (only used one) Rab SilTarp 2 Small Repair Kit: Repair Tape, Ductape, 30’ 3mm cord, 3x AAA batteries, bundle of bailing wire 2x 2L Soft Flasks Feathered Friends Tanager 20 Thermarest NeoAir Small Portable Battery, Inreach, Headlamp and chargers Approach Notes: Up Goodell Creek, down Stump Hollow (don’t get lost like us!)
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Trip: Markhor and Needle Peak - Traverse Trip Date: 07/07/2025 Trip Report: I am too behind on everything right now to write much, but I figured some of you may be interested in a lesser known romp across the valley from Yak Peak off the Coquihalla. It is quite the scenic and reasonable outing for the mature mountaineer, but I think most would enjoy the lovely ridgeline between Markhor and Needle Peaks. It starts with a steep grunt up the climber's trail up Markhor, with expanding views of Yak Peak across the way: Within an hour or two, the summit of Markhor comes into view, with nothing more challenging than some exposed class 3 standing between the car and the summit: The view expand greatly, with the shapely Needle peak beckoning across a kilometer (we're in Canada, eh) or two of ridgeline: The bugs were a bit on the bad side so I didn't waste much time picking my way down Markhor to a rap station and fixed line which greatly aided the descent down a slabby section. I wrapped a prusik around the thin line which was a nice hand hold as I slid it down and scrambled lower. Here's looking up at the slabby bit below the summit of Markhor after clearing it: And then the really good stuff lay ahead. Always scenic, often exposed, sometimes a bit on the kitty litter side, it was nonetheless "distinctly alpine and a pure joy" to quote Fred from some peak or other in the North Cascades (Logan?). It was usually pretty easy, although a few sections edged into exposed 4th class where a fall would end very badly: I caught a glimpse of another couple behind me as I scrambled along: And soon was on the summit of Needle, alone with the festive summit register: The bugs here were terrible as well so I didn't stay long, mosying down the well trod Needle Peak trail that was very scenic the entire way. Yak Peak on the left and Markhor on the right: Partway down there was a nice viewpoint where I could take in the entirety of the Markhor to Needle ridge traverse: And soon was spit out at the well marked Needle Peak trailhead: I think it took me about 5-6 hours for the loop, including stops, which was a bit longer than the drive, thankfully. The only bummer is that it isn't longer! Gear Notes: helmet and approach shoes. Brought a 30m RAD line to rap but fixed line in place on slab downclimb Approach Notes: Park at Needle Peak Trailhead and find flagged route up Markhor to the east, starting in pipeline swath. Descend well marked Needle Peak trail after traverse
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[TR] Gunsight - E and SW faces of Middle, S ridge of South 07/13/2025
JasonG replied to JonParker's topic in North Cascades
Quite the difficult adventure climbing way back in there @JonParker, way to keep it safe and somewhat sane! Less sane is solo broken ankle dude. To say he won the lottery is putting it mildly. Good on you guys for helping redeem what likely would have been a very bad outcome. -
Absolutely fantastic trip report and photos. I'm hoping to visit the Gunsight range later this summer. I noticed that you mention that you found two climbers who "wanted to check out the Gunsight range using a rope team larger than 2 for the Chikamin." Is the Chikamin particularly broken up? I was planning on just one partner but maybe I'm missing something.