Real socialism

[glassgowkiss]

drill baby drill

Real socialism is extracting a public resource, and then stiffing a tax payer with the cost of clean up. Drill baby drill is coming home to roost. Why aren't these companies required a bond for each well in the amount that would cover the eventual cost of cleanup?

KKK and republifucks should be forcefully relocated to such areas, so they could experience first hand the shit they create.

 

"After the methane industry collapse, there were almost 4,000 wells in Wyoming that the company responsible walked away from. Now, the state has to pay the price."

"There is a way to ensure there's enough money for cleanup: make companies pay for all of it upfront. But that's not on the table in Wyoming, or anywhere else in the country."

[Peter_Puget]

A perfect case of government fuck up and a great case for private ownership.

 

Here's another interesting link http://www.nber.org/papers/w21624

 

 

[ivan]

uh...I'd never have thought either the government of Wyoming or of Washington D.C. would be thought of as socialist, so why is the original article a bash on them that thinks that way? the article DOES say the rather socialist concept of making businesses pay up front for clean-up costs doesn't have the proverbial snow ball's chance of ever being used in these united states. I'd of course agree this a fine demonstration of classic capitalism in action.

 

not sure what to make of pete's contribution beyond what the abstact says: a good chunk of change stays in the local economy after you frack - don't know if the full article tries to parse out wehter that chunk of change significantly offsets the costs associated w/ fracking though - having a bit more coin in your pocket doesn't mean much if you're drinking lighter fluid as a result, no?

[glassgowkiss]

A perfect case of government fuck up and a great case for private ownership.

 

Here's another interesting link http://www.nber.org/papers/w21624

 

 

And the case for private ownership? Are you fucking kidding me? Yes, maybe start talking about self-regulation as well? WTF? The only case here is: we need to regulate the fuck out of the oil and gas industry, and we need to start asking for payment up front. There is a reoccurring pattern of depleting resources, followed with a bankruptcy protection. And some of these polluters should be criminally liable, maybe these CEo's and FCO's would rethink their decision making process.

[glassgowkiss]

uh...I'd never have thought either the government of Wyoming or of Washington D.C. would be thought of as socialist, so why is the original article a bash on them that thinks that way?

 

My point was this is how twisted republican strategy and politics is. And this type of policy implemented essentially enacted a class of untouchables: gas and oil, banking, insurance execs, who simply act with impunity. This is not capitalism- in capitalism you pay for services and goods. This is wealth redistribution, and lining your own pocket, then stiffing the tax paying public with the rest of the actual cost.

[ivan]

i think you mis-comprehend capitalism - i'm no snarling trotskyite, so don't take my view too seriously, but capitalism is essentially defined by the governmetn straight-up not giving a shit what happens in this world outside a very narrow prism of national security - the unregulated rape of the natural world w/o a word of protest from republican government is as old as the industrial revolution itself. i of course hope to see a future that transcends this, but i'd be a fool if it expected it....

[glassgowkiss]

i think you mis-comprehend capitalism - i'm no snarling trotskyite, so don't take my view too seriously, but capitalism is essentially defined by the governmetn straight-up not giving a shit what happens in this world outside a very narrow prism of national security - the unregulated rape of the natural world w/o a word of protest from republican government is as old as the industrial revolution itself. i of course hope to see a future that transcends this, but i'd be a fool if it expected it....

 

Well, you know things evolve. This might be good enough vision for late 19th or early 20th century, but since then we (as society) figure out maybe a better method. For instance we have governmental laws prohibiting child labor. That kind of goes beyond "national security". And this is the crux of the issue. Throughout the decades of the history of the country the role change just from providing "national security" to regulating and providing safe and equal playing field (vide Glass- Steagall Act of 1933). The neo-cons like KKK want to turn the clock a couple of hundreds of years, ideally reinstating child labor and such practices in the process. In general they are not any different Taliban or ISIS trying to revert matters back to 11th century.

[Jim]

A perfect case of government fuck up and a great case for private ownership.

 

Here's another interesting link http://www.nber.org/papers/w21624

 

 

Yea, lots of money for some. For others in the community not such a deal.

 

Gasland

[glassgowkiss]

A perfect case of government fuck up and a great case for private ownership.

 

Here's another interesting link http://www.nber.org/papers/w21624

 

 

Yea, lots of money for some. For others in the community not such a deal.

 

Gasland

 

Yes, corporate shills want us to believe drinking lighting fluid is good for your health.

[JasonG]

And that it's "natural" that Oklahoma is the second most seismically active state behind Alaksa

[Sam Furley]

Assholekisser, is there an explanation for why you're such a fucking moron?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Assholekisser, is there an explanation for why you're such a fucking moron?

 

It's from all the Russian cock he sucked as a youngster.

[glassgowkiss]

Assholekisser, is there an explanation for why you're such a fucking moron?

 

It's from all the Russian cock he sucked as a youngster.

 

I think you are mistaking me with your mom.

[glassgowkiss]

Assholekisser, is there an explanation for why you're such a fucking moron?

probably not, however I have a pretty good idea why you are.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Assholekisser, is there an explanation for why you're such a fucking moron?

 

It's from all the Russian cock he sucked as a youngster.

 

I think you are mistaking me with your mom.

 

Most common Russian "insult": yob tvoyu mat'

 

Assholekisser's most common "insult": your mom

 

 

Yep, the gallons of Russian jizz you have ingested as a youth have definitely had their influence on you.

[glassgowkiss]

Actually the most common insults are simple "kurwa" "kurwa mac" and "chuj w dupe". But google would not show this. Just to show your fake life califuckingfornia wanna be, pretend you are someone else.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Actually the most common insults are simple "kurwa" "kurwa mac" and "chuj w dupe". But google would not show this. Just to show your fake life califuckingfornia wanna be, pretend you are someone else.

 

Nekhaj kachka tebe kopne, lyase

 

and what would you know of a "real life" angry little cc.com troll that you are (and nothing more)

[olyclimber]

this thread, interpreted in dance:

 

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[Peter_Puget]

I agree Oly.

 

There should be plenty of money to ensure costs are covered.

 

So Jim I checked out your link and do wonder what you think about foxes prior claims regarding breast cancer:

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-fracking-critics-bad-science-161628123--finance.html

 

Or how he represented flaming faucets

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2015 by Peter_Puget

[glassgowkiss]

I agree Oly.

 

There should be plenty of money to ensure costs are covered.

 

So Jim I checked out your link and do wonder what you think about foxes prior claims regarding breast cancer:

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-fracking-critics-bad-science-161628123--finance.html

 

Or how he represented flaming faucets

 

 

Clean water act was not written and voted in till 1972. What relevance is there to what happened before 1972? The fact is, the numbers clearly show methane pollution was present, but there is also clear data showing the frequency and the levels of contamination with methane in water correlates to development of hydraulic fracturing. Your line of argument is similar to people who point naturally occurring radiation, and saying accidents like Fukushima or Chernobyl did virtually nothing to the areas effected.

[glassgowkiss]

I agree Oly.

 

There should be plenty of money to ensure costs are covered.

 

So Jim I checked out your link and do wonder what you think about foxes prior claims regarding breast cancer:

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-fracking-critics-bad-science-161628123--finance.html

 

Or how he represented flaming faucets

 

 

And this is typical of people on the right- dilute the argument with shit. The fact is these companies moved in, extracted gas, now they are walking away, leaving clean up costs to taxpayers. And who gives a flying fuck what science was used, when we are talking a very specific issue. These wells need to be sealed, because other wise they will pollute, and the clean up costs would be much higher. The fact is mining industry acts with zero accountability in every type of extraction, leaving tax payers with astronomical costs of cleanups. And this is exactly what socialism is- split the profits between a few chosen cronies, and fuck the general public.

[Sam Furley]

If you're so concerned with methane assholekisser, then why do you open your gobbling mouth?

[glassgowkiss]

If you're so concerned with methane assholekisser, then why do you open your gobbling mouth?

 

Obviously you are not concerned with wasting tax money on state corporate sponsorships, and obviously you are not concerned with a quality of your drinking water. Here is newsflash- you should have been more concerned with huffing glue out of that paper bag- it shows now for sure.

[Sam Furley]

Unfortunately Assholekisser, all I hear out of your gobble trap is a lot of gobbling, cum farts and (to add insult to injury) a complete misunderstanding of how the world works.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Unfortunately Assholekisser, all I hear out of your gobble trap is a lot of gobbling, cum farts and (to add insult to injury) a complete misunderstanding of how the world works.

 

What do you expect from a product of Stalinist propaganda which he was spoon fed from birth along with copious amounts of Russian jizz. The poor brain-addled fucktard should only be pitied - he is beyond hope, yet alone recovery.