ivan Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 you must be a very tedious person to deal w/ on a daily basis if i'm no good at promoting communism its probably b/c....wait for it...i'm not? nor have i known a single one of my libturd friends to quote das kapital or the little red book - feel free to keep telling me what i actually think though Quote
Fairweather Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 you must be a very tedious person to deal w/ on a daily basis if i'm no good at promoting communism its probably b/c....wait for it...i'm not? nor have i known a single one of my libturd friends to quote das kapital or the little red book - feel free to keep telling me what i actually think though Ya get what ya give. Strange you haven't figured this out after all these years. Quote
prole Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Fortunately for the rest of us, you're not very good at it. If it weren't for Washington's 'Fellow Travellers', you and yours would still be living in tree stumps. Quote
Fairweather Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Not sure if you just don't get the historical reference--or just don't get it, period. My guess is the former--and the latter. Either way, your political ideas are going nowhere. Edited February 17, 2014 by Fairweather Quote
prole Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Oh, were you referencing something? I usually skim your pedantic self-congratulation for the funny bits. Quote
Fairweather Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Yer obviously not one of them educated commies. Don't worry, it's most definitely not a deal-breaker. Quote
ivan Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 you been having problems w/ yer bodily fluids lately eff-dubya? Quote
Fairweather Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 No need for you to defend comrade Prole. He is quite capable of standing up for himself. Well, sort of. Quote
ivan Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 not defending that old-boy as i never met'em n' he don't much seem to need help - just can't help but make the connection between you n' general ripper when you seem to see commies hiding behind every bottle of perrier that said, if this thread is to be some sorta modern-day committee for unamerican activities, you might feel free to Put the Question to poor prole as to what he thinks about tovarisch lenin's likeness in the emerald city Quote
Fairweather Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 He's already answered the larger question here in past threads. I just wish his belief system afforded the same freedom of political expression that ours does. He probably fancies himself more of a Trotskyite or a Gramscian in any event. Quote
ivan Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 trotsky...hmmm...what's your problem w/ him, eh? he didn't like stalin, you don't like stalin. he was opposed to the senseless slaughter of ww1, hard to fault. shit, he even managed to live in new york city w/o blowing the place up. and what climber can't think it's cool he was murdered w/ an ice-axe? a trotsky statue in fremont would be way more hotsky...specially if the ice-axe was lodged in his cranium Quote
prole Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I just wish his belief system afforded the same freedom of political expression that ours does. The American Left has a far stronger tradition and proven track record of defending and furthering the freedom of political expression around the world than Conservatives have in thought or deed. You can, like, look it up and stuff. Quote
prole Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Except when it comes to using the N-word. That's a right the Right just can't get enough of defending! Quote
prole Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Seriously, FW, you'll love Alabama. It's putting all the best Conservative ideas into practice. It's practically a gol'durn la-BORA-tory down there for rightwingers. Stay out of Mobile tho, too much like New Orleans, gays and blacks and commies carousing in broad daylight! Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 The American Left has a far stronger tradition and proven track record of defending and furthering the freedom of political expression around the world than Conservatives have in thought or deed. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Seriously, FW, I'd love N Korea. It's putting all the best Communist ideas into practice. It's practically a gol'durn la-BORA-tory over there for leftwingers! Quote
prole Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Seriously, where has the American Right been on any of these issues for the last 100 years: Free Speech, Voting Rights, Worker's Rights, Environmental protections, consumer protections, addressing poverty, extending health benefits and educational opportunities for all, etc. etc.?? Oh, that's right, fighting tooth and nail against every single one of them on behalf of big business while using the name of the 'little guy' to maintain electoral viability while its real interests continue to narrow. No wonder the whackjobs want to turn the clock back to 1786, it's the last time they had anything relevant to say about making actual progress in this country! An even neater trick has been to blame "government" for nearly every societal and planetary ill while offering absolutely nothing in terms of any civil institutions capable of replacing its function beyond church bake sales. Nevermind leadership or governance, these dumb fucks can't even figure out how to keep the lights on and keep from poisoning their own people. I'd implore them to just get out of the way but judging from the ads on Fox News, I'd say the target demographic is already in full decline. Anti-imperialism and drug legalization (traditional leftish positions) are the only thing keeping young people remotely interested in the Right now the terror bubble has burst. When I say move to the South it's because it's the only place with any significant population density where you could read the Republican Party platform in a meeting and not be laughed out of the room. Do yourself a favor and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Edited February 17, 2014 by prole Quote
Fairweather Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I love the way American leftists like you harp on about free speech and the press even as you look the other way when "your guys" are at the helm. An early father of modern American liberalism, ole Woodrow Wilson comes to mind with his Espionage and Sedition Acts. And who can forget FDR's court-stacking scheme? Things you never bothered to read about--or have willingly "forgotten." And now, of course, your guy is e-snooping on us all for God-knows what reason and nary a peep from complete tools like you. Are these the leftist "traditions" you are referring to? You also seem to lack a basic understanding of a social pact that married unions to the Democratic Party. It's no real secret that unions have representation via the Democrats--the pact was constructed in just this way. And it's all part of the essential tension you can't seem to stand. Well, buddy, grow up--it's supposed to be this way. And God help us all if morons like you & yours gain any more power than you already have. You've shown a real knack for using it to intimidate and silence opposition, and your comments here are a reflection of this. May I suggest Cuba--and a leaky boat. Quote
Fairweather Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Except when it comes to using the N-word. That's a right the Right just can't get enough of defending! Now there's an old, tired left-wing boogey man. Hey, kinda like you! Quote
ivan Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I love the way American leftists like you harp on about free speech and the press even as you look the other way when "your guys" are at the helm. yeah, 'cuz like not a single person on the left has been pissed about the nsa revelations of late (or the drone program) Quote
Fairweather Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Sure, you've all been "uncomfortable" about the activity itself--but loathe to admit your emperor has no clothes. Edited February 18, 2014 by Fairweather Quote
ivan Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 you might vote for emperors, i usually vote for presidents - i didn't much think that mitt was gonna be any better on this subject either, though perhaps you live in a fantasy world where you think otherwise? meanwhile, liberal groups like the aclu continue to be very active on this issue while your side is....is...doing what again (besides drooling to imagine what it'll do w/ the police state when it has it firmly under it's control again?) Quote
Fairweather Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I think Rand Paul is actually trying to sue Obama over it, and every Republican I know is outraged. I certainly don't hear Harry or Nancy howling over BHO's surveillance programs. And while I support the ACLU on this--and salute their efforts--you'll have to forgive me for being a little skeptical of this selective outrage campaign. Their lack of enthusiasm for the 2nd Amendment comes to mind. Quote
prole Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I love the way American leftists like you harp on about free speech and the press even as you look the other way when "your guys" are at the helm. An early father of modern American liberalism, ole Woodrow Wilson comes to mind with his Espionage and Sedition Acts. And who can forget FDR's court-stacking scheme? Things you never bothered to read about--or have willingly "forgotten." And now, of course, your guy is e-snooping on us all for God-knows what reason and nary a peep from complete tools like you. You also seem to lack a basic understanding of a social pact that married unions to the Democratic Party. It's no real secret that unions have representation via the Democrats--the pact was constructed in just this way. And it's all part of the essential tension you can't seem to stand. Well, buddy, grow up--it's supposed to be this way. And God help us all if morons like you & yours gain any more power than you already have. You've shown a real knack for using it to intimidate and silence opposition, and your comments here are a reflection of this. May I suggest Cuba--and a leaky boat. The Espionage and Sedition Acts? You're fucking kidding me right? You do know that those tools were primarily used against labor organizers, Socialists, and Anarchists on behalf of industry, right? Um, I think it's safe to say the American Left were the biggest critics of those Acts. Once again, dumb, blind adherence to a partisan narrative and desire to "score points" against the "other team" making you look a complete fool. FDR's court-stacking scheme? Glenn Beckian tempest in a teapot. None of FDR's guys were anywhere near as radical as Reagan and Bush's crusaders for Christ and Capital. As far as the grand bargain with labor is concerned (tying wages to productivity, mass consumption, growth of a middle class in return for labor peace), that was also characterized by bipartisan consensus that cut across the political landscape for almost two generations ("We are all Keynesians now" - Richard Nixon). What your post shows is your ass hanging out when it comes to an understanding of a big picture that transcends some concocted, epic two-party grudge match. Maybe you should spend more time actually reading what Marx and those that came afterward (yes, Gramsci) had to say about politics in capitalist societies instead of just empty name dropping in defense of your weak game. Quote
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