billcoe Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 but most people I talk to are appropriately dismayed by these statistics and do not attempt to reshift the focus elsewhere. Good point, it is close to a train wreck here for many reasons. The title of the thread was China, you introduced another topic. Had the topic been the multitude of American laws and the prison system to support it, I would have not had that visceral response. I agree with what you've said Pat, we'll spoken. It's an important (and damn costly both in money and lives) issue. I didn't mean to denigrate it like it must have come out. Thanks .... and you're right.... Quote
G-spotter Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Actually, the one child policy apparently had far less to do with China's stabilizing population than their modernization, egalitarian education/employment policies towards women, and easy availability of birth control and family planning services, according to a recent story on NPR. UMMM the one child policy WAS family planning services. Just with an involuntary component. Look at the gender imbalance. 95 MILLION more boys than girls in that age cohort. Real egalitarian, there. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Actually, the one child policy apparently had far less to do with China's stabilizing population than their modernization, egalitarian education/employment policies towards women, and easy availability of birth control and family planning services, according to a recent story on NPR. UMMM the one child policy WAS family planning services. Just with an involuntary component. Look at the gender imbalance. 95 MILLION more boys than girls in that age cohort. Real egalitarian, there. forced abortions, including during birth. good time. Quote
ivan Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 but did the one-child policy effect the number of "chins" in the phone book or not!?! Quote
Sam Furley Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Capitalism is "losing" because we have an over-abundance of morons like you, tvash, and prole around lobbying for the opposing team. FYI. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) Actually, the one child policy apparently had far less to do with China's stabilizing population than their modernization, egalitarian education/employment policies towards women, and easy availability of birth control and family planning services, according to a recent story on NPR. UMMM the one child policy WAS family planning services. Just with an involuntary component. Look at the gender imbalance. 95 MILLION more boys than girls in that age cohort. Real egalitarian, there. Should I preface with any even longer UMMMM? The primary component of any family planning program is ready access to birth control. China's sex ratio (men/women) is 1.07, less than India's 1.08, and about the same as Chinese Americans. Whether or not the One Child policy is a major factor isn't clear. I thought you were some kind of scientist? Gettin' kinda lazy about yer causality arguments, no, or is that just the way folks roll in your field? Edited November 7, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote
G-spotter Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 but did the one-child policy effect the number of "chins" in the phone book or not!?! America's cheap-corn policy seems to have increased the number of chins in the populace too. Quote
rob Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) Capitalism is "losing" because we have an over-abundance of morons like you, tvash, and prole around lobbying for the opposing team. FYI. You're either saying that, though dumb, the majority of people are against capitalism, or you're saying they're just better at "lobbying" than "your side" is. So either "your side" sucks ass at lobbying, or "your side" is the minority trying to enforce its will against the (moronic) majority. Which one is it??? Edited November 7, 2011 by rob Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Capitalism is "losing" because we have an over-abundance of morons like you, tvash, and prole around lobbying for the opposing team. FYI. FUCK. China OWES ME. Wasn't aware of the 'opposing team' part...kinda thought the arrangement was: they make cheap shit, we buy it from 'em. How 'bout that incarceration rate? GOOD TO GO. Quote
olyclimber Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 if only capitalism could shed democracy, it could perform more efficiently. we can't have stupid people gumming up the machine. maybe have IQ tests to determine if people can vote or not? Quote
olyclimber Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 "if you guys weren't so stupid we wouldn't be in this mess" Quote
G-spotter Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 How 'bout that incarceration rate? GOOD TO GO. Speaking of incarceration, maybe USA should start harvesting organs from its political prisoners the way China does? Except that in USA they'd harvest from the jailed potheads instead. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 How 'bout that incarceration rate? GOOD TO GO. Speaking of incarceration, maybe USA should start harvesting organs from its political prisoners the way China does? Except that in USA they'd harvest from the jailed potheads instead. Or shooting people at the borders... trying to escape. Oh, wait... Quote
ivan Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Capitalism is "losing" because we have an over-abundance of morons like you, tvash, and prole around lobbying for the opposing team. FYI. who are we lobbying for again? show-she-lists samwise? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 From now on I'd like to be referred as "The Tvash Group". Call my girl and we'll do bird's nest soup. Quote
ivan Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 a chilean sea-bass main course would be quite the thing to follow yer apertiff. Quote
G-spotter Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 How 'bout that incarceration rate? GOOD TO GO. Speaking of incarceration, maybe USA should start harvesting organs from its political prisoners the way China does? Except that in USA they'd harvest from the jailed potheads instead. Or shooting people at the borders... trying to escape. Oh, wait... Right. In USA they shoot people (Mexicans) trying to get IN. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 How 'bout that incarceration rate? GOOD TO GO. Speaking of incarceration, maybe USA should start harvesting organs from its political prisoners the way China does? Except that in USA they'd harvest from the jailed potheads instead. Or shooting people at the borders... trying to escape. Oh, wait... Right. In USA they shoot people (Mexicans) trying to get IN. Really? Prove it. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 15 year old Mexican boy shot by border patrol (video) THAT didn't take long.... Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) Isolated incident, of course. WIKI weighs in: "Incidents of Border Patrol use of force According to Rodolfo Acuña,[24] Professor Emeritus of Chicano Studies at California State University, "Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs reported 117 cases of human rights abuses by US officials against migrants from 1988 to 1990, including fourteen deaths. During the 1980s, Border Patrol agents shot dozens of people, killing eleven and permanently disabling ten."[25] In January 2007, border patrol agent Nicholas Corbett shot and killed Francisco Javier Domínguez Rivera.[26] after the latter tried to smash his head with a rock according to the officer's lawyer.[27] After the agent was acquitted of wrong doing, a civil suit was filed on behalf of Rivera's parents. This civil suit claimed that the United States government was responsible for wrongful death of Rivera due to the fact that the agent was performing his official duty.[27] Mexico lodged an official protest with the United States over the death stating its “firm condemnation” and “serious concern over the recurrence of this type of incident.” The protest demanded an exhaustive investigation.[28][29] Though the incident was recorded by surveillance cameras, the recording was not very clear.[30] Under the Border Patrol's use-of-force guidelines, agents are permitted to employ lethal force against rock throwers if they pose a threat.[31] Large rocks have seriously injured many agents and many agents have resorted to wearing riot gear as a result. In January 2006, an eight year veteran of the Border Patrol, fearful of stones which were being thrown at him [32] shot Guillermo Martinez Rodriguez, a known people smuggler who had been detained 11 times prior.[33] Rodriguez, with a gunshot to the back of his right shoulder, crossed back to Mexico and was taken to the Red Cross in Tijuana where he died twenty-five and a half hours later from the injury.[34] In May 2000, an illegal immigrant was shot in the shoulder by a border patrolman near Brownsville, Texas, and died later from the wounds.[35] On May 28, 1994, Martín García Martínez was shot by a Border Patrol agent at the San Ysidro port of entry. He died on July 3 as a result of his injuries.[36] On May 2010, a recently deported Mexican migrant died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing.[37] "Methamphetamine abuse and hypertension contributed to the death of a 32-year-old Mexican who was shocked with a stun gun in a fight with federal agents at the San Ysidro border crossing, the county coroner’s office ruled."[38] On June 2010 , a 15-year-old Mexican citizen was shot to death on the Mexican side of the border near El Paso, Texas. The U.S Border Patrol reported that the officers responded to a group of suspected illegal immigrants who were throwing rocks at them. President Felipe Calderón criticize the shooting by stating that "the use of firearms to repel attacks with stones represents disproportionate use of force".[37][39] [edit]Vigilante killings According to Time Magazine, in the first half of 2000, three immigrants have been killed and seven others have been wounded in showdowns on the U.S. side of the border.[40][41] In 2000, the United Nations opened an investigation into vigilante killings of migrants crossing Mexico's border with the USA, dispatching a senior UN investigator to the border country close to where Sam Blackwood, a 74-year-old rancher, was charged with killing Eusebio de Haro,[42] an unarmed Mexican he tried to subdue for the border patrol and fatally shot in the back of the thigh after pursuing him a quarter mile down the road in his truck.[43] [44] Edited November 7, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 15 year old Mexican boy shot by border patrol (video) THAT didn't take long.... Hmmm, one incident, which involved some circumcstances like rocks being chucked at a border agent. Of course this is equivalent to Chinese soldiers shooting escaping (as in desperate to LEAVE the socialist utopia that is China) Tibetan refugees like dogs. Yeah, it's all the same to brain-addled sociopathic libturds like Trash. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) Already a mile ahead a ya, az yuzh.... With only 2 neurons and four total states, you're not the most difficult person to predict. Edited November 7, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 "In January 2007, border patrol agent Nicholas Corbett shot and killed Francisco Javier Domínguez Rivera.[26] after the latter tried to smash his head with a rock" Yeah, he should have let the guy smash his head with the rock! Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Already a mile ahead a ya, az yuzh.... You should move to China and found the CCLU. That would be long-lived. Quote
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