prole Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) "We all need to tighten our belts." yeah but most of us only wear one belt at a time And most of us only need one on the outside of our bodies. Edited July 20, 2011 by prole Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 It's a bit harder to go for "shared sacrifice" message when it's pusher is a bullying cetacean in an in tailored suit. Quote
Off_White Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Can't ya'll find a sharper criticism than just the guy's weight? Was Donald Trump's comb over his worst issue? Tee hee hee, he's fat? Is that all you've got? How about the fact he's an anti-abortion candidate with a right wing christian position on gay marriage? It matters more to me that the guy has no experience or opinions on foreign policy than what his waist measurement is. Quote
prole Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 No, I'm sorry. I just cannot get past his weight. He's morbidly grotesque. Politics is one thing, but gahddamn! Quote
prole Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 I mean, if you can't trust him to run a hotdog stand can you really trust him to run the country? Hmmm? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Can't ya'll find a sharper criticism than just the guy's weight? Was Donald Trump's comb over his worst issue? Tee hee hee, he's fat? Is that all you've got? How about the fact he's an anti-abortion candidate with a right wing christian position on gay marriage? It matters more to me that the guy has no experience or opinions on foreign policy than what his waist measurement is. You don't get that weight without indulging, alot, in gluttony. That's a pretty central issue when you're asking your citizens to do with less at the same time. He also throws that weight around to bully his opponents. Being a fat fuck isn't 'the issue'. It's a physical manifestation of the man's hypocrisy and a large part of his demeanor of open contempt towards those he governs. Still, I've got to hand it to him: I haven't seen a bullshit PR campaign work so well for a guy since McCain gussied himself up to become a war hero. Quote
prole Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Can he really be expected to challenge entrenched power? He's literally a walking corn subsidy! Quote
JayB Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 What is the actual difference between the constraints on tax increases, spending cuts, and public employee union concessions under Christy in NJ and Cuomo in NJ - other than party affiliation? I for one am eagerly awaiting for the left to call out Cuomo for his devastating attacks on workers and the middle class.... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/nyregion/new-york-labor-leaders-urge-members-to-approve-contracts.html?_r=1 See below for physical manifestation of virtue.. Quote
AlpineK Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 yes, in these trying times, only the resurrection of william taft can save us Taft visited Seattle and spent the night at a house overlooking Lake Washington. Prior to arrival they had to put in new wider doors. I'n not making this up, or at least I worked at a house next door a few years back and that was the story I heard. Quote
rob Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 He looks like he's about to eat the microphone. OM NOM NOM Quote
ivan Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 yes, in these trying times, only the resurrection of william taft can save us Taft visited Seattle and spent the night at a house overlooking Lake Washington. Prior to arrival they had to put in new wider doors. I'n not making this up, or at least I worked at a house next door a few years back and that was the story I heard. my favorite taft story is from when he arrived in the phillipens to be the first american governor there - he assured the huddled, insolent masses "you are all my little brown children and i am your Great White Father" Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 He looks like he's about to eat the microphone. OM NOM NOM "To da moon, Alice!" Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Seriously, the difference is night and day. Christie is a psychopathic bully who has openly declared war on state employees - and shows open contempt for them. He's tows the Kristian oppression line on gay marriage and the like. He's a "lemme tell ya this" train wreck. Oh, and a near pathological liar regarding the 'facts'. Cuomo is a respectful negotiator trying to navigate through the current fiscal crisis without the larger, social re-engineering agenda designed by the Krazy Party. He just signed a gay marriage bill into law. The budget crisis are similar. The men trying to solve them, their philosophies, the respect they afford their opponents, and their methods couldn't be more different. And yes, they both look like they could stand to double down on a gym membership. Quote
prole Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 What is the actual difference between the constraints on tax increases, spending cuts, and public employee union concessions under Christy in NJ and Cuomo in NJ - other than party affiliation? I for one am eagerly awaiting for the left to call out Cuomo for his devastating attacks on workers and the middle class... Interesting how when one sees Labor, Socialist, and Democrat parties in Europe and the US imposing austerity, wage depression, and cuts to the social safety net in order to keep corrupt credit-ratings agencies happy and pay off gangbanksters and asset stripping campaign contributors, the logical conclusion would be "the bastards are all the same". For you, it's some sort of heroic validation of your rotten ideology. Guess we just have to wait for another round of I told you so's... Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Christie is a psychopathic bully !!!??!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Quote
prole Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Seriously, the difference is night and day. Christie is a psychopathic bully who has openly declared war on state employees - and shows open contempt for them. He's tows the Kristian oppression line on gay marriage and the like. He's a "lemme tell ya this" train wreck. Oh, and a near pathological liar regarding the 'facts'. Cuomo is a respectful negotiator trying to navigate through the current fiscal crisis without the larger, social re-engineering agenda designed by the Krazy Party. He just signed a gay marriage bill into law. The budget crisis are similar. The men trying to solve them, their philosophies, the respect they afford their opponents, and their methods couldn't be more different. Ugh, what a load of tripe. What difference do personal approach, "philosophy", negotiating skills, and methods mean when the end results are exactly the same? The partisan illusion is wearing thin... Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Look, you've made it clear that you don't give two shits about millions of gay Americans (gay weed, blah blah), but some of us consider respect for the establishment and equal protection clauses substantive and fundamental to good governance. You also don't seem to differentiate between short term and long term agendas. Cuomo and Christie couldn't be more different on both accounts. I suppose I'd react the same way if my agenda to end capitalism had failed as completely and miserably over the past 4 decades as yours has. IT ALL SUCKS! BURN IT DOWN! Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Come to think of it, there is little difference between Prole and your average Tea Bagger - both are focused on a single question, to the exclusion of just about all others: "Who's MOOCHING????!!!!" Quote
prole Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Look, you've made it clear that you don't give two shits about millions of gay Americans (gay weed, blah blah), but some of us consider respect for the establishment and equal protection clauses substantive and fundamental to good governance. Don't give me that crap. There's no reason you can't push a progressive social agenda and a progressive economic agenda at the same time. As it stands, the Democrat wing of the FIRE Party is happy to play liberals' asses like fiddles against rightwing boogymen while forcing more of the same economic medicine down the throats of those least able to bear it. You also don't seem to differentiate between short term and long term agendas. Cuomo and Christie couldn't be more different on both accounts. I suppose I'd react the same way if my agenda to end capitalism had failed as completely and miserably over the past 4 decades as yours has. IT ALL SUCKS! BURN IT DOWN! What long-term agenda? Democrats have, and continue to be led around by their Prince Alberts on the same economic policies pioneered by Republicans. Democrats don't have a long-term agenda other than permanent campaigning and lurching from GOP manufactured crisis to GOP manufactured crisis. Quote
prole Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Don't want to upset the donors' apple-cart though. "Dahling, tax me a little more, but for heaven's sake don't shut down the crap game!" Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) THAIR ALL THE SAME! NOTHING TO BE DONE ABOUT IT! Edited July 21, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Tiresome, really. There is more to the politics and change than the D and RNC. So much more...but then, you'd have actually join in the fight to realize that. Quote
JayB Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 What is the actual difference between the constraints on tax increases, spending cuts, and public employee union concessions under Christy in NJ and Cuomo in NJ - other than party affiliation? I for one am eagerly awaiting for the left to call out Cuomo for his devastating attacks on workers and the middle class... Interesting how when one sees Labor, Socialist, and Democrat parties in Europe and the US imposing austerity, wage depression, and cuts to the social safety net in order to keep corrupt credit-ratings agencies happy and pay off gangbanksters and asset stripping campaign contributors, the logical conclusion would be "the bastards are all the same". For you, it's some sort of heroic validation of your rotten ideology. Guess we just have to wait for another round of I told you so's... Didn't quite follow the connection between the political systems coping with a structural fiscal crisis and any particular validation of my despicable ideology - but let me know if an early-90's Canada style restructuring happens anywhere anytime soon. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903554904576457880527361612.html I quite agree that the taxpayers are getting a gold plated reaming in order to bail out the retarded creditors that made bad loans, and it would be much better to let them take the punishing losses that they're owed. Quote
JayB Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Seriously, the difference is night and day. Christie is a psychopathic bully who has openly declared war on state employees - and shows open contempt for them. He's tows the Kristian oppression line on gay marriage and the like. He's a "lemme tell ya this" train wreck. Oh, and a near pathological liar regarding the 'facts'. Cuomo is a respectful negotiator trying to navigate through the current fiscal crisis without the larger, social re-engineering agenda designed by the Krazy Party. He just signed a gay marriage bill into law. The budget crisis are similar. The men trying to solve them, their philosophies, the respect they afford their opponents, and their methods couldn't be more different. Ugh, what a load of tripe. What difference do personal approach, "philosophy", negotiating skills, and methods mean when the end results are exactly the same? The partisan illusion is wearing thin... Now there's the steely eyed dialectical materialist I remember. Quote
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