j_b Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Noam Chomsky: My reaction to OBL's death proof-positive he is as much of a kook as you and buckaroo! While I appreciate Chomsky's often biting and well researched books, this off-hand commentary is hard to take seriously. Really, there isn't always a conspiracy. Holy shit! And I thought J_B was a kook! Holy shite, Holy shite. Glad the internet is now providing the unvarnished truth. Hell in a hand basket. Jim loves to regurgitate the mud flung by the service goon. Someday, I'll take the gloves off too. Edited May 9, 2011 by j_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 While I appreciate Chomsky's often biting and well researched books, this off-hand commentary is hard to take seriously. Really, there isn't always a conspiracy. it's of course the readers job to figure out what conspiracy if any Jim wants you to believe Chomsky is advocating. The level of intervention by nationalists throughout this thread has been deplorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraysovereign Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 ...there isn't always a conspiracy. You know what they say: "When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) they also say: "once a tool, always a tool". I don't now if it's related to the hammer and nail story but I can't assess the relationship of either to the matter at hand. Edited May 10, 2011 by j_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Is it really necessary to point out that nobody claimed that everything was a conspiracy? or is this strawman going to make the round for another page or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.” The point being exactly what? That there is an underlying truth - we made up the al Qaeda connection? Or the more likely supposition that not every government statement on the subject will agree with another. I'm sure I could do similar justice to quotes from Chomsky given a couple hours of research. Look - I generally like, or at least understand, most of his well-reasearched critiques. This is sophmoric, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 it's of course the readers job to figure out what conspiracy if any Jim wants you to believe Chomsky is advocating. The level of intervention by nationalists throughout this thread has been deplorable. Oh man, I can't believe people would challenge you! How deplorable!! Naturally, anyone that disagrees with you is a "nationalist" or a "goon" or what not. You must be really broken up about poor OBL's death. :cry: I know I know, we're imperialists. Which is why it was wrong to kill bin Laden, right? I mean, if America is so imperialistic, then NOTHING we do can be right!!! Speaking of strawman!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Did General Caldwell Point his Psy-Ops Team at POTUS? Behind the Pentagon’s Propaganda Plan Another Runaway General: Army Deploys Psy-Ops on U.S. Senators The Return of PSYOPS Iraq and the Media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Oh man, I can't believe people would challenge you! How deplorable!! Naturally, anyone that disagrees with you is a "nationalist" or a "goon" or what not. No, people using goon tactics like repeated ad-hom without ever providing any argument is deplorable. I do suspect that much of the refusal to remain skeptical is fueled by nationalism. You must be really broken up about poor OBL's death. :cry: I know I know, we're imperialists. Which is why it was wrong to kill bin Laden, right? I mean, if America is so imperialistic, then NOTHING we do can be right!!! Speaking of strawman!!!!! OBL was a violent extremist who once did our bidding in Afghanistan, like Saddam hussein did in Iraq btw. Many serious analysts consider that our involvements in Iraq and Afghanistan are motivated by resource control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 The point being exactly what? That there is an underlying truth - we made up the al Qaeda connection? Or the more likely supposition that not every government statement on the subject will agree with another. I'm sure I could do similar justice to quotes from Chomsky given a couple hours of research. Look - I generally like, or at least understand, most of his well-reasearched critiques. This is sophmoric, however. Pretty odd line of argumentation since the results of the investigation led by the FBI isn't affected by the declarations of other gov agencies, which under Bush were almost universally considered to over-reach for political motives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I feel like I'm in the Chuckie Cheese of pop-up non sequiturs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Chomsky's gotta make a living, like everybody. He's got an audience, he puts out a product. Every once in a great while he manages to make a point, but most of his stuff might have well been generated by a Write Like Chomsky pseudo random word generator. I find him unreadable, but some of my friends enjoy his books. In the end, like Nader, he's a brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I feel like I'm in the Chuckie Cheese of pop-up non sequiturs as if your meaningless quips hid the vacuousness of your "argument". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 too bad you erased that post rob. We could have discussed how nationalism makes some people claim that respect for the rule of law and justice amounts to support for terror. Shame on you! You are turning out to be some piece of work (like a few others around here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 ...... Every once in a great while he manages to make a point, but most of his stuff might have well been generated by a random word generator. This could be applied to - oh nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 ...... Every once in a great while he manages to make a point, but most of his stuff might have well been generated by a random word generator. This could be applied to - oh nevermind. Sometimes watching the random word generator wind itself up into a frenetic, incoherent, rabid lather and then blue screen is well worth watching for nothing more than sheer entertainment value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 you two make quite a pair,. Are you married yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 you two make quite a pair,. Are you married yet? what would know about "pairs", having none yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 So....has anyone come up with real evidence that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11? Or are you just going to fling mud and hiss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 what would know about "pairs", having none yourself? says the "coward" who systematically resorts to ad-hom because his arguments suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 So....has anyone come up with real evidence that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11? Or are you just going to fling mud and hiss? There is classified evidence ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 So....has anyone come up with real evidence that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11? Or are you just going to fling mud and hiss? There is classified evidence ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 So....has anyone come up with real evidence that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11? Or are you just going to fling mud and hiss? i've yet to visit ground zero since 9/11 so i'm not yet 100% certain the towers aren't still there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 what would know about "pairs", having none yourself? says the "coward" who systematically resorts to ad-hom because his arguments suck your arguments swallow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 ...... Every once in a great while he manages to make a point, but most of his stuff might have well been generated by a random word generator. This could be applied to - oh nevermind. Sometimes watching the random word generator wind itself up into a frenetic, incoherent, rabid lather and then blue screen is well worth watching for nothing more than sheer entertainment value. ttk aspires to entertaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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