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I'm just relieved to know that a single news article is enough to formulate an informed opinion. The nice thing about it is the courts can just read the article and convict the officer without wasting any time or money on needless investigations or a lengthy trial.

 

 

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I'm just relieved to know that a single news article is enough to formulate an informed opinion. The nice thing about it is the courts can just read the article and convict the officer without wasting any time or money on needless investigations or a lengthy trial.

 

 

Yeah, you're right. A stifled press should solve that problem. I'm sure there was another, untold side to the story. The old geezer threw his walker at the cop or something.

 

Any other problems you guys'd like to solve today?

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As you were all eye witnesses, I'm glad you know the whole story.

 

I'll bite.

 

Indian woodcarver, slow-moving, rather small in stature, 50+ years old with small, legal blade. By all accounts non-threatening, and a record of nothing more than petty drunkenness and public urination.

 

Rookie cop, I would guess 20-something or 30-something, armed with a 9mm pistol.

 

Cop shoots him at range FOUR FUCKING TIMES.

 

What exactly more needs to be known now? You must have a rather vivid imagination to contrive a scenario that warrants a scenario in which that cop feels his life is immediately endangered and requires him to blast this guy over and over. So let's hear it...

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As you were all eye witnesses, I'm glad you know the whole story.

 

I'll bite.

 

Indian woodcarver, slow-moving, rather small in stature, 50+ years old with small, legal blade. By all accounts non-threatening, and a record of nothing more than petty drunkenness and public urination.

 

Rookie cop, I would guess 20-something or 30-something, armed with a 9mm pistol.

 

Cop shoots him at range FOUR FUCKING TIMES.

 

What exactly more needs to be known now? You must have a rather vivid imagination to contrive a scenario that warrants a scenario in which that cop feels his life is immediately endangered and requires him to blast this guy over and over. So let's hear it...

 

you're talking to a dude who can't decide weather or not to pay a simple parking ticket in a country who so graciously lets him in to climb their rocks...

Posted
As you were all eye witnesses, I'm glad you know the whole story.

 

I'll bite.

 

Indian woodcarver, slow-moving, rather small in stature, 50+ years old with small, legal blade. By all accounts non-threatening, and a record of nothing more than petty drunkenness and public urination.

 

Rookie cop, I would guess 20-something or 30-something, armed with a 9mm pistol.

 

Cop shoots him at range FOUR FUCKING TIMES.

 

What exactly more needs to be known now? You must have a rather vivid imagination to contrive a scenario that warrants a scenario in which that cop feels his life is immediately endangered and requires him to blast this guy over and over. So let's hear it...

 

Fucker deserved to die, given this eye witness account.

Posted
how many DUI's does he have?

 

I thought none, at least according to the U.S., but unfortunately Canada considers the lesser charges equivalent. :( Damn them socialist pigs. Thankfully these Euro-socialists were still happy to have me spend my $ here.

 

As Ivan pointed out at the time, being tossed from Canada for a drinking related offense is sadly ironic. Thankfully I didn't have my woodcarving knife on me or things could have gotten much worse.

Posted
Being of Jewish descent, Josh is considered a national security risk. They take ZOG very seriously up there.

 

i'm sure he could find a good deal on some foreskin if he did a search on craigslist...

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Shooting an old, feeble man FOUR TIMES for having a LEGAL knife and simply not responding to you really smacks of aggression, IMO. Why not return to your vehicle and call for back-up? Use a taser at the very least - Jesus.

 

I was a bicycle courier in Seattle for two years, and can tell you: Seattle cops were very unforgiving in regards to the indigent. I witnessed multiple harassment and citations for small offenses - vagrancy (no money), pan-handling, indecent exposure for peeing when the local businesses wouldn't even let them use the restrooms, loitering, public drunkenness, and a plethora of other minor offenses. It was readily apparent that this hassling served to discourage them from choosing Seattle as a place to try and live.

Posted
Shooting an old, feeble man FOUR TIMES for having a LEGAL knife and simply not responding to you really smacks of aggression, IMO. Why not return to your vehicle and call for back-up? Use a taser at the very least - Jesus.

 

I was a bicycle courier in Seattle for two years, and can tell you: Seattle cops were very unforgiving in regards to the indigent. I witnessed multiple harassment and citations for small offenses - vagrancy (no money), pan-handling, indecent exposure for peeing when the local businesses wouldn't even let them use the restrooms, loitering, public drunkenness, and a plethora of other minor offenses. It was readily apparent that this hassling served to discourage them from choosing Seattle as a place to try and live.

So just because they don't let homeless people use/do drugs in their bathrooms they deserve to be blamed for the homeless' public urination. I love the lack of personal accountability.

Posted
Shooting an old, feeble man FOUR TIMES for having a LEGAL knife and simply not responding to you really smacks of aggression, IMO. Why not return to your vehicle and call for back-up? Use a taser at the very least - Jesus.

 

I was a bicycle courier in Seattle for two years, and can tell you: Seattle cops were very unforgiving in regards to the indigent. I witnessed multiple harassment and citations for small offenses - vagrancy (no money), pan-handling, indecent exposure for peeing when the local businesses wouldn't even let them use the restrooms, loitering, public drunkenness, and a plethora of other minor offenses. It was readily apparent that this hassling served to discourage them from choosing Seattle as a place to try and live.

So just because they don't let homeless people use/do drugs in their bathrooms they deserve to be blamed for the homeless' public urination. I love the lack of personal accountability.

 

Not all who wander are lost.

 

I used to get approached quite a bit for money. Often, when I was in-between calls, i would say:

 

"I'll give you money if you tell me your story."

 

I was very surprised how many people had simply come on hard times.

 

Nice of you to group them all as bathroom drug-users - you got a big heart, I can tell :rolleyes:

 

 

Posted
Shooting an old, feeble man FOUR TIMES for having a LEGAL knife and simply not responding to you really smacks of aggression, IMO. Why not return to your vehicle and call for back-up? Use a taser at the very least - Jesus.

 

I was a bicycle courier in Seattle for two years, and can tell you: Seattle cops were very unforgiving in regards to the indigent. I witnessed multiple harassment and citations for small offenses - vagrancy (no money), pan-handling, indecent exposure for peeing when the local businesses wouldn't even let them use the restrooms, loitering, public drunkenness, and a plethora of other minor offenses. It was readily apparent that this hassling served to discourage them from choosing Seattle as a place to try and live.

So just because they don't let homeless people use/do drugs in their bathrooms they deserve to be blamed for the homeless' public urination. I love the lack of personal accountability.

 

How exactly did he blame the business owners? Clearly the "lack of personal accountability" of the homeless is what is at issue here, and not over aggressive cops working out their own personal shortcomings on the less fortunate. :rolleyes:

 

Get a clue...or go put up some more "FAs" on Mt. Si maybe.

Posted
Shooting an old, feeble man FOUR TIMES for having a LEGAL knife and simply not responding to you really smacks of aggression, IMO. Why not return to your vehicle and call for back-up? Use a taser at the very least - Jesus.

 

I was a bicycle courier in Seattle for two years, and can tell you: Seattle cops were very unforgiving in regards to the indigent. I witnessed multiple harassment and citations for small offenses - vagrancy (no money), pan-handling, indecent exposure for peeing when the local businesses wouldn't even let them use the restrooms, loitering, public drunkenness, and a plethora of other minor offenses. It was readily apparent that this hassling served to discourage them from choosing Seattle as a place to try and live.

 

TaxiDriver.jpg

 

"Thank God for the rain to wash the trash off the sidewalk. "

Posted
I was a bicycle courier in Seattle for two years, and can tell you: Seattle cops were very unforgiving in regards to the indigent. I witnessed multiple harassment and citations for small offenses - vagrancy (no money), pan-handling, indecent exposure for peeing when the local businesses wouldn't even let them use the restrooms, loitering, public drunkenness, and a plethora of other minor offenses. It was readily apparent that this hassling served to discourage them from choosing Seattle as a place to try and live.

So just because they don't let homeless people use/do drugs in their bathrooms they deserve to be blamed for the homeless' public urination. I love the lack of personal accountability.

 

Pioneer Square is Seattle's version of LA's Skid Row. It's a coordinated and concerted effort. Try this one on dipshit:

 

Mike Davis

FORTRESS LOS ANGELES: THE MILITARIZATION OF URBAN SPACE

 

 

In Los Angeles--once a paradise of free beaches, luxurious parks, and "cruising strips"--genuinely democratic space is virtually extinct. The pleasure domes of the elite Westside rely upon the social imprisonment of a third-world proletariat in increasingly repressive ghettos and barrios. In a city of several million aspiring immigrants (where Spanish-surname children are now almost two-thirds of the school-age population), public amenities are shrinking radically, libraries and playgrounds are closing, parks are falling derelict, and streets are growing ever more desolate and dangerous.

 

Here, as in other American cities, municipal policy has taken its lead from the security offensive and the middle-class demand for increased spatial and social insulation. Taxes previously targeted for traditional public spaces and recreational facilities have been redirected to support corporate redevelopment projects. A pliant city government--in the case of Los Angeles, one ironically professing to represent a liberal biracial coalition--has collaborated in privatizing public space and subsidizing new exclusive enclaves (benignly called "urban villages"). The celebratory language used to describe contemporary Los Angeles--"urban renaissance," "city of the future." and so on--is only a triumphal gloss laid over the brutalization of its inner-city neighborhoods and the stark divisions of class and race represented in its built environment. Urban form obediently follows repressive function. Los Angeles, as always in the vanguard, offers an especially disturbing guide to the emerging liaisons between urban architecture and the police state.

 

FORBIDDEN CITY

Los Angeles's first spatial militarist was the legendary General Harrison Gray Otis, proprietor of the Times and implacable foe of organized labor. In the 1830s, after locking out his union printers and announcing a crusade for "industrial freedom," Otis retreated into a new Times building designed as a fortress with grim turrets and battlements crowned by a bellicose bronze eagle. To emphasize his truculence, he later had a small, functional cannon installed on the hood of his Packard touring car. Not surprisingly, this display of aggression produced a response in kind. On October 1, 1910, the heavily fortified Times headquarters--the command-post of the open shop on the West Coast--was destroyed in a catastrophic explosion, blamed on union saboteurs.

 

Eighty years later, the martial spirit of General Otis pervades the design of Los Angeles's new Downtown, whose skyscrapers march from Bunker Hill down the Figueroa corridor. Two billion dollars of public tax subsidies have enticed big banks and corporate headquarters back to a central city they almost abandoned in the 1960s. Into a waiting grid, cleared of tenement housing by the city's powerful and largely unaccountable redevelopment agency, local developers and offshore investors (increasingly Japanese) have planted a series of block-square complexes: Crocker Center, the Bonaventure Hotel and Shopping Mall, the World Trade Center, California Plaza, Arco Center, and so on. With an increasingly dense and self-contained circulation system linking these superblocks, the new financial district is best conceived as a single, self-referential hyperstructure, a Miesian skyscape of fantastic proportions.

 

Like similar megalomaniacal complexes tethered to fragmented and desolate downtowns--such as the Renaissance Center in Detroit and the Peachtree and Omni centers in Atlanta--Bunker Hill and the Figueroa corridor have provoked a storm of objections to their abuse of scale and composition, their denigration of street life, and their confiscation of the vital energy of the center, now sequestered within their subterranean concourses or privatized plazas. Sam Hall Kaplan, the former design critic of the Times, has vociferously denounced the antistreet bias of redevelopment; in his view, the superimposition of "hermetically sealed fortresses" and random "pieces of suburbia" onto Downtown has "killed the street" and "dammed the rivers of life."'

 

Yet Kaplan's vigorous defense of pedestrian democracy remains grounded in liberal complaints about "bland design" and "elitist planning practices." Like most architectural critics, he rails against the oversights of urban design without conceding a dimension of foresight, and even of deliberate repressive intent. For when Downtown's new "Gold Coast" is seen in relation to other social landscapes in the central city, the "fortress effect" emerges, not as an inadvertent failure of design, but as an explicit--and, in its own terms, successful socio-spatial strategy.

 

The goals of this strategy may be summarized as a double repression: to obliterate all connection with Downtown's past and to prevent any dynamic association with the non-Anglo urbanism of its future. Los Angeles is unusual among major urban centers in having preserved, however negligently, most of its Beaux Arts commercial core. Yet the city chose to transplant--at immense public cost--the entire corporate and financial district from around Broadway and Spring Street to Bunker Hill, a half-dozen blocks further west.

 

Photographs of the old Downtown in its 1940s prime show crowds of black, and Mexican shoppers of all ages and classes. The contemporary "renaissance" renders such heterogeneity virtually impossible. It is intended not to "kill the street" as Kaplan feared, but to "kill the crowd," to eliminate that democratic mixture that Olmsted believed was America's antidote to European class polarization. The new Downtown is designed to ensure a seamless continuum of middle-class work, consumption, and recreation, insulated from the city's unsavory streets. Ramparts and battlements, reflective glass and elevated pedways, are tropes in an architectural language warning off the underclass Other. Although architectural critics are usually blind to this militarized syntax, urban pariah groups whether black men, poor Latino immigrants, or elderly homeless white females--read the signs immediately.

 

MEAN STREETS

 

This strategic armoring of the city against the poor is especially obvious at street level. In his famous study of the "social life of small urban spaces," William Whyte points out that the quality of any urban environment can be measured, first of all, by whether there are convenient, comfortable places for pedestrians to sit. This maxim has been warmly taken to heart by designers of the high corporate precincts of Bunker Hill and its adjacent "urban villages." As part of the city's policy of subsidizing the white-collar residential colonization of Downtown, tens of millions of dollars of tax revenue have been invested in the creation of attractive, "soft" environments in favored areas. Planners envision a succession of opulent piazzas, fountains, public art, exotic shrubbery, and comfortable street furniture along a ten-block pedestrian corridor from Bunker Hill to South Park. Brochures sell Downtown's "livability" with idyllic representations of office workers and affluent tourists sipping cappuccino and listening to free jazz concerts in the terraced gardens of California Plaza and Grand Hope Park.

 

In stark contrast, a few blocks away, the city is engaged in a relentless struggle to make the streets as unlivable as possible for the homeless and the poor. The persistence of thousands of street people on the fringes of Bunker Hill and the Civic Center tarnishes the image of designer living Downrown and betrays the laboriously constructed illusion of an urban "renaissance." City Hall has retaliated with its own version of low intensity warfare.

 

Although city leaders periodically propose schemes for removing indigents en masse--deporting them to a poor farm on the edge of the desert, confining them in camps in the mountains, or interning them on derelict ferries in the harbor--such "final solutions" have been blocked by council members' fears of the displacement of the homeless into their districts. Instead the city, self-consciously adopting the idiom of cold war, has promoted the "containment" (the official term) of the homeless in Skid Row, along Fifth Street, systematically transforming the neighborhood into an outdoor poorhouse. But this containment strategy breeds its own vicious cycle of contradiction. By condensing the mass of the desperate and helpless together in such a small space, and denying adequate housing, official policy has transformed Skid Row into probably the most dangerous ten square blocks in the world. Every night on Skid Row is Friday the 13th, and, unsurprisingly, many of the homeless seek to escape the area during the night at all costs, searching safer niches in other parts of Downtown. The city in turn tightens the noose with increased police harassment and ingenious design deterrents.

 

One of the simplest but most mean-spirited of these deterrents is the Rapid Transit District's new barrel-shaped bus bench, which offers a minimal surface for uncomfortable sitting while making sleeping impossible. Such "bumproof" benches are being widely introduced on the periphery of Skid Row. Another invention is the aggressive deployment of outdoor sprinklers. Several years ago the city opened a Skid Row Park; to ensure that the park could not be used for overnight camping, overhead sprinklers were programmed to drench unsuspecting sleepers at random times during the night. The system was immediately copied by local merchants to drive the homeless away from (public) storefront sidewalks. Meanwhile Downtown restaurants and markets have built baroque enclosures to protect their refuse from the homeless. Although no one in Los Angeles has yet proposed adding cyanide to the garbage, as was suggested in Phoenix a few years back, one popular seafood restaurant has spent $12,000 to build the ultimate bag-lady-proof trash cage: three-quarter-inch steel rod with alloy locks and vicious out-turned spikes to safeguard moldering fishheads and stale french fries.

 

Public toilets, however, have become the real frontline of the city's war on the homeless. Los Angeles, as a matter of deliberate policy, has fewer public lavatories than any other major North American city. On the advice of the Los Angeles police, who now sit on the "desicion board" of at least one major Downtown project, the redeveloplnent agency bulldozed the few remaining public toilets on Skid Row. Agency planners then considered whether to include a "free-standing public toilet" in their design for the upscale South Park residential development; agency chairman Jim Wood later admitted that the decision not to build the toilet was a "policy decision and not a design decision." The agency preferred the alternative of "quasi-public restrooms"--toilets in restaurants, art galleries, and office buildings--which can be made available selectively to tourists and white-collar workers while being denied to vagrants and other unsuitables. The same logic has inspired the city's transportation planners to exclude toilets from their designs for Los Angeles's new subway system.

 

Bereft of toilets, the Downtown badlands east of Hill Street also lack outside water sources for drinking or washing. A common and troubling sight these days is the homeless men--many of them young refugees from El Salvador--washing, swimming, even drinking from the sewer effluent that flows down the concrete channel of the Los Angeles River on the eastern edge of Downtown. The city's public health department has made no effort to post warning signs in Spanish or to mobilize alternative clean-water sources.

 

In those areas where Downtown professionals must cross paths with the homeless or the working poor--such as the zone of gentrification along Broadway just south of the Civic Center--extraordinary precautions have been taken to ensure the separation of the different classes. The redevelopment agency, for example, brought in the police to help design "twenty-four-hour, state-of-the-art security" for the two new parking structures that serve the Los Angeles Times headquarters and Ronald Reagan State Office Building. In contrast to the mean streets outside, parking structures incorporate beautifully landscaped microparks, and one even a food court, picnic area, and historical exhibit. Both structures are intended to function as "confidence-building" circulation systems that allow white-collar workers to walk from car to office, or from car to boutique, with minimum exposure to the street. The Broadway-Spring Center, in particular, which links the two local hubs of gentrification (the Reagan Building and the proposed Grand Central Square) has been warmly praised by architectural crirics for adding greenery and art to parking. It also adds a considerable dose of menace--armed guards, locked gates, and ubiquitous security cameras--to scare away the homeless and the poor.

 

The cold war on the streets of Downtown is ever escalating. The police, lobbied by Downtown merchants and developers, have broken up every attempt by the homeless and their allies to create safe havens or self-governed encampments. "Justiceville," founded by homeless activist Ted Hayes, was roughly dispersed; when its inhabitants attempted to find refuge at Venice Beach, they were arrested at the behest of the local council member (a renowned environmenmlist) and sent back to Skid Row. The city's own brief experiment with legalized camping--a grudging response to a series of deaths from exposure during the cold winter of 1987--was abruptly terminated after only four months to make way for the construction of a transit maintenance yard. Current policy seems to involve perverse play upon the famous irony about the equal rights of the rich and poor to sleep in the rough. As the former head of the city planning commission explained, in the City of the Angels it is not against the law to sleep on the street per se "only to erect any sort of protective shelter." To enforce this proscriprion against "cardboard condos," the police periodically sweep the Nickel, tearing down shelters, confiscating possessions, and arresting resisters. Such cynical repression has turned the majority of the homeless into urban bedouins. They are visible all over Downtown, pushing their few pathetic possessions in stolen shopping carts, always fugative, always in motion, pressed between the official policy of containment and the inhumanity of downtown streets.

 

SEQUESTERING THE POOR

 

An insidious spatial logic also regulates the lives of Los Angeles's working poor. Just across the moat of the Harbor Freeway, west of Bunker Hill, lies the MacArthur Park district--once upon a time the city's wealthiest neighborhood. Although frequently characterized as a no-man's-land awaiting resurrection by developers, the district is, in fact, home to the largest Central American community in the United States. In the congested streets bordering the park, a hundred thousand Salvadorans and Guatemalans, including a large community of Mayan-speakers, crowd into tenements and boarding houses barely adequate for a fourth as many people. Every morning at 6 A.M this Latino Bantustan dispatches armies of sewing operadoras, dishwashers, and janitors to turn the wheels of the Downtown economy. But because MacArthur Park is midway between Downtown and the famous Miracle Mile, it too will soon fall to redevelopment's bulldozers.

 

Hungry to exploit the lower land prices in the district, a powerful coterie of developers, represented by a famous ex-councilman and the former president of the planning commission, has won official approval for their vision of "Central City West": literally, a second Downtown comprising 25 million square feet of new office and retail space. Although local politicians have insisted upon a significant quota of low-income replacement housing, such a palliative will hardly compensate for the large-scale population displacement sure to follow the construction of the new skyscrapers and yuppified "urban villages." In the meantime, Korean capital, seeking lebensraum for Los Angeles's burgeoning Koreatown, is also pushing into the MacArthur Park area, uprooting tenements to construct heavily fortified condominiums and office complexes. Other Asian and European speculators are counting on the new Metrorail station, across from the park, to become a magnet for new investment in the district.

 

The recent intrusion of so many powerful interests into the area has put increasing pressure upon the police to "take back the streets" from what is usually represented as an occupying army of drug-dealers, illegal immigrants, and homicidal homeboys. Thus in the summer of 1990 the LAPD announced a massive operation to "retake crime plagued MacArthur Park" and surrounding neighborhoods "street by street, alley by alley." While the area is undoubtedly a major drug market, principally for drive-in Anglo commuters, the police have focused not only on addict-dealers and gang members, but also on the industrious sidewalk vendors who have made the circumference of the park an exuberant swap meet. Thus Mayan women selling such local staples as tropical fruit, baby clothes, and roach spray have been rounded up in the same sweeps as alleged "narcoterrorists" (Similar dragnets in other Southern California communities have focused on Latino day-laborers congregated at streetcorner "slave markets.")

 

By criminalizing every attempt by the poor--whether the Skid Row homeless or MacArthur Park venders--to use public space for survival purposes, law-enforcement agencies have abolished the last informal safety-net separating misery from catastrophe. (Few third-world cities are so pitiless.) At the same time, the police, encouraged by local businessmen and property owners, are taking the first, tentative steps toward criminalizing entire inner-city communities. The "war" on drugs and gangs again has been the pretext for the LAPD's novel, and disturbing, experiments with community blockades. A large section of the Pico-Union neighborhood, just south of MacArthur Park, has been quarantined since the summer of 1989; "Narcotics Enforcement Area" barriers restrict entry to residents "on legitimate business only." Inspired by the positive response of older residents and local politicians, the police have subsequently franchised "Operation Cul-de-Sac" to other low-income Latino and black neighborhoods.

 

Thus in November 1983 (as the Berlin Wall was being demolished), the Devonshire Division of the LAPD closed off a "drug-ridden" twelve-block section of the northern San Fernando Valley. To control circulation within this largely Latino neighborhood, the police convinced apartment owners to finance the construction of a permanent guard station. Twenty miles to the south, a square mile of the mixed black and Latino Central-Avalon community has also been converted into Narcotic Enforcement turf with concrete roadblocks. Given the popularity of these quarantines save amongst the ghetto youth against whom they are directed--it is possible that a majority of the inner city may eventually be partitioned into police-regulated "no-go" areas.

 

The official rhetoric of the contemporary war against the urban underclasses resounds with comparisons to the War in Vietnam a generation ago. The LAPD's community blockades evoke the infamous policy of quarantining suspect populations in "strategic hamlets." But an even more ominous emulation is the reconstruction of Los Angeles's public housing projects as "defensible spaces." Deep in the Mekong Delta of the Watts-Willowbrook ghetto, for example, the lmperial Courts Housing Project been fortified with chain-link fencing, RESTRICTED ENTRY signs, obligatory identity passes--and a substation of the LAPD. Visitors are stopped and frisked, the police routinely order residents back into their apartments at night, and domestic life is subjected to constant police scrutiny. For public-housing tenants and inhabitants of narcotic-enforcement zones, the loss of freedom is the price of "security."--from here.

Posted
That news is like a month old.

 

Not a single comment on the actual content.

 

Must be rough, being smarter than everyone and so jaded, Dru.

 

I searched through 2 months of posts and didn't see a thread - so, show me the link, smart guy.

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