Sargent_Rock Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 Just out of curiosity, when did we start calling the beginning climber a “newbie?” First time I heard the expression was during the start of the movie Vertical Limit (have you ever laughed so hard??). Of course, I thought the term was pure Hollywood. Now I hear it in common usage. In the old days they were simply called beginners or novice climbers. Not that it matters, but did we gain something by changing the term? Quote
johnny Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 Yes we did. We gained a sense of superiority and competence to help us gloss over the fact that being a skilled and experienced climber has very little if any importance or relevence whatsoever. Sorry if I offend but climbing is a deeply personal activity and I feel that it does absolutely nothing to improve anything but the psyche of the individual climber. When I challenge myself and succeed I feel strong, I feel good about myself. That does not make me better in comparison to anyone else. Perhaps the actual method I choose to challenge myself makes me a bit suspect? A little too philosophical for this early in the morning but the weather looks good, I have Friday as well as Monday off and I plan to do some climbing!!! Quote
Dennis_the_Menace Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 I wave my arse in the general direction of the so called "vetern climber" (my apologies to the real climbers in advance, you know who you are) Quote
Lambone Posted August 30, 2001 Author Posted August 30, 2001 I just thought the lil' smiley faces were kinda funny! Quote
johnny Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 They are cute Lambone, I just ain't too crazy about the whole "newbie" concept. Nothing good ever seems to come from classifying people, especially those with less skill in a single, specific arena. It does not take a brain surgeon to learn how to climb well!! Some say the only requirement to becoming a skilled climber is a significant lack of brain power........ Quote
The_Antagonizer Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 You all sound like a bunch of fucking dinks. Annoying. I think a better word than "newbie" is CHERRY. Cherries! Hey Sargent Rock. Did you know that a sarge is a fish that eats shit off the bottom of the ocean? That's one of the first things the friendly ol' drill sergeant beats into your brain during recruit training. Did you know Sergeant is spelled Sergeant? Going climbing. Later Internet Pussies! Quote
Erwin Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 I wouldn't call myself a newbie or so much a veteran climber, so being in the middle I have something to say about all this. Being a newbie is great. You get to learn much and the first times on rock, first leads, first falls, first times seeing hot girls climbing 5.12s are the best ever. Nothing beats this purity. You first climb because your buddy needs a belayer and than your hooked and that is all your mind can focus on. Its these great times as newbies that make us strive to do it again and again. Its like having sex or taking acid. The first times you do it, you want to do it again and again to reach that rush again. Go newbies, enjoy your virginity and your love for climbing before you learn what a scene climbers are involved in. Trad vs sport vs bouldering...blah blah blah climb to climb, newbies don't care Quote
Erwin Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 The Antagonizer's mom lost her cherry to a Sarge. Its on the internet at www.consumptionjunction.com The weak at stomach need not apply Quote
Retrosaurus Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 There is never a lack for someone to beat the drum around here. Lambone, Have you thought about "sensitivity training"? Johnny, Have you thought about not being so sensitive? I am nauseated. I have to get out of here to eat some raw meat and sacrifice a few virgins. [This message has been edited by Retrosaurus (edited 08-30-2001).] Quote
jblakley Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 quote: Originally posted by The Antagonizer: You all sound like a bunch of fucking dinks. Annoying. I think a better word than "newbie" is CHERRY. Cherries! Hey Sargent Rock. Did you know that a sarge is a fish that eats shit off the bottom of the ocean? That's one of the first things the friendly ol' drill sergeant beats into your brain during recruit training. Did you know Sergeant is spelled Sergeant? Going climbing. Later Internet Pussies! Dude if you want to live up to that alias you gave yourself you'll have to do better than that. Pigeon farts released in the upper atmosphere do more to antagonize than your thin witted verbal quiffs. C'mon dude step up to the plate. What are you afraid of? Quote
Jman Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 "Newbie" is a term that has been around a long time and is not limited to climbing. Mr. Antagonizer is somewhat correct - this discussion does sound pretty stupid. Quote
rodeo Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 Hey, I know. Why don't we, instead of arguing over the use of the term "newbie", actually pony up and give this new guy some help with the routes on GP. Or are we all a bunch of posers? Quote
Lambone Posted August 30, 2001 Author Posted August 30, 2001 When I stumbled into that silly icon, I expected this to be a simple positive SALUTE to all those newbies (beginners, whatever) out there. Not a newbie bash. Newbies rock, when they are friendly that is! Quote
Kyle Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 I think newbie's originally an internet term that's crossed over into internet climbing forums, but you don't really hear climbers in the outdoors referring to other climbers as newbies. Beginners, first-timers, suckers, or fresh meat are more commonly used terms. Quote
Bob_Clarke Posted August 30, 2001 Posted August 30, 2001 In every indivual or team sport/endearvor there are numerous terms for those new folks. Ever try out for the football, soccer, or baseball teams? How many equipment bags and water jugs have I had to carry? Try a hand at Kayaking or sailing, no bleeding hearts there. Rookies, gumbies, newbies are all terms of endearment and rite of passage. I'm grateful to my mentors for calling me these names because it kept my ego and attitude in check and to always remember that there is something new to learn no matter what grade or how much experience I attain. So if it ruffles someone's feathers so be it, I won't apologize, because the meanings are not condesending. Thick skin breads an iron will for long dicey runouts. Quote
Dwayner Posted August 31, 2001 Posted August 31, 2001 Mr. Iambone....come on over here and sit on ole Uncle Dwayner's lap and let him tell you a story. Yup, ole Uncle Dwayner's been climbin for 28 years now AND HAS NEVER HEARD THE WORD "NEWBIE" USED TO DESCRIBE A NOVICE CLIMBER UNTIL HE SAW IT PRESENTED RIGHT HERE! So if there is a history to that word; a) I somehow missed out on this wonderful new piece of us and them jargon, or: b) it's relatively new; c) or it's making the rounds in the sporty/gym world. d) it's extremely provincial; e) a combination of the above. Anyway, it's a ridiculous word. It sounds stupid if not insulting and "novice" works just fine. O.K., Mr. Iambone, you can get off my lap now, you're makin' me a little nervous. aloha, Dwayner P.S. Post your gym hours. Me 'n pope are going to go down there and show you some dynamic back-stepping sit starts. Quote
The_Antagonizer Posted August 31, 2001 Posted August 31, 2001 I climbed 15 pitches of rock today you little fuckheads. FUCK U! The Antagonizer Quote
Lambone Posted August 31, 2001 Author Posted August 31, 2001 Dwayner, Thanks old pal, but keep in mind that I didn't come up with this silly little term. Our beloved cc.com forefathers did, hence the Newbie board. I just enjoy mocking stupid lingo. Pimp the crimp and slap the slope bro. You got to come check out my new sick testpiece in the cave! www.verticalworld.com (Not a plug, you asked!) At the gym we only classify people as super burly or merely human It's easy to tell the diference. Newbies look at Climbing in a way which those who are experienced will never see it again...as NEW. Its exiteing, I dig their energy. When they smile that is And don't back into your car at the crag [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 08-30-2001).] Quote
Retrosaurus Posted August 31, 2001 Posted August 31, 2001 BTW, my record is 21 pitches in three hours. But you can still be my hero, Antagonizer. You crack ho you. [This message has been edited by Retrosaurus (edited 08-30-2001).] Quote
Pencil_Pusher Posted August 31, 2001 Posted August 31, 2001 The Antagonizer is a poser from Uganda. Quote
jblakley Posted August 31, 2001 Posted August 31, 2001 quote: Originally posted by The Antagonizer: I climbed 15 pitches of rock today you little fuckheads. FUCK U! The Antagonizer Where do I send the check and who do I make it out to? Quote
The_Antagonizer Posted August 31, 2001 Posted August 31, 2001 I took the balance out on your wife jblakely. Retrosaurus you are so good. I have a new hero. Right here on cascadeclimbers to boot. How surprising is that? Why don't you guys climb my dingleberries and do a write up? Quote
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