Memories.....

[jon]

Intuition also suggests that 75% of Tea Party supporters are interested in returning this great nation to its white, christian roots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's shit like this that make me ashamed to be an American. Teabaggers are largely closet racists.

[Peter_Puget]

You guys are missing the point....Let's assume that the "teabaggers" are racist looneys. They make up a small percentage of the polity. It is easy to find wackos anywhere. So pointing out a looney has very little meaning. What should give you pause for thought is the poll I referenced earlier in this thread:

 

Three-fourths of independents have a favorable view of the tea party movement

 

Out of the millions of Americans, is it shameful that some of them hold crazy ideas? Shouldn't it be far more concerning (shameful)that a large pecentage of our population either shares their crazy viewpoint or are too stupid to see it for what it is.

 

By the way my posts have had very little to do with the "teabaggers" unless you consider "independents" and "teabaggers" to be the same.

[tvashtarkatena]

You guys are missing the point....Let's assume that the "teabaggers" are racist looneys. They make up a small percentage of the polity. It is easy to find wackos anywhere. So pointing out a looney has very little meaning. What should give you pause for thought is the poll I referenced earlier in this thread:

 

Three-fourths of independents have a favorable view of the tea party movement

 

Out of the millions of Americans, is it shameful that some of them hold crazy ideas? Shouldn't it be far more concerning (shameful)that a large pecentage of our population either shares their crazy viewpoint or are too stupid to see it for what it is.

 

Maybe...except that not a single one of us, I'm guessing, believe the results of your 'poll'. I know I don't.

[Peter_Puget]

One or two polls may be in error BUT I have been posting a series of polls from both conservative and liberal groups, mainstream media, universites and established polling groups (ie Gallup) that all paint a consistent story. The constant posting of "teabagger" pictures is just a way to avoid the real situation. It's easier to blame Obama's difficuties on racism and stupid people than the face the fact that many do not like the Dem/Obama policies and the fact that Obama and the Dems have not been very skilled in implementing their plans.

[olyclimber]

yes! things are going to hell in a handbag! hopefully the teabaggers can save us.

 

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/polling/sarah-palin-tanking-among-moderates-independents/

 

here is another view of what independents think of the leader of the teabagger movement.

 

you know what the country needs right now is a SAVIOR!

 

[StevenSeagal]

You guys are missing the point....Let's assume that the "teabaggers" are racist looneys. They make up a small percentage of the polity. It is easy to find wackos anywhere. So pointing out a looney has very little meaning. What should give you pause for thought is the poll I referenced earlier in this thread:

 

Three-fourths of independents have a favorable view of the tea party movement

 

Out of the millions of Americans, is it shameful that some of them hold crazy ideas? Shouldn't it be far more concerning (shameful)that a large pecentage of our population either shares their crazy viewpoint or are too stupid to see it for what it is.

 

By the way my posts have had very little to do with the "teabaggers" unless you consider "independents" and "teabaggers" to be the same.

 

Hey Peter,

It does concern me that 3/4 of "Independents" hold a favorable view of the Tea Party movement, and the reason is that when someone Tancredo gives a speech to their convention saying "a lack of a civics literacy test requiremtn resulted in people who can't spell the word vote or even pronounce it in English putting a Socialist ideologue in the White House", and the response from the crowd is hearty applause and standing ovations, and the convention organizer responding to a question about this statement by saying "Tom gave a fantastic speech"...well it's almost like the closet racism in this movement is barely concealed, they're almost shameless about it.

 

You can say that it's only a few "random loonys", but I haven't seen any attempt whatsoever by the more mainstream players of the Tea Party movement to distance themselves from this breathtakingly ignorant stuff much less denounce it- which as far as I'm concerned, is tantamount to support and tolerance for it.

 

So, yeah, the fact that as many people in this country hold a "favorable" view of this collection of intellectual and social bottom feeders is really disturbing, because it means these people either understand and agree with this sort of shit, are willfully ignorant, or are completely clueless. Any of which is, well, disturbing.

That Sarah Palin (aka, I have to write crib notes on my palm to remember my core values of "energy development", "taxes" and "lift American spirits") is their defacto spiritual leader and the right wing talk radio goons like Hannity and Limbaugh, and cocaine freak Beck are their propaganda mouthpieces, should tell you all you need to know. They pretend to be a movement "separate" from the two political parties, but what they are is the far right fringe of the Republican party, who by they way they are busy purging and ostracizing as we speak any of their ranks who attempt to talk common sense and offer any coherent and reasonable dialogue. Even Ron Paul is being pushed under their bus.

[tvashtarkatena]

One or two polls may be in error BUT I have been posting a series of polls from both conservative and liberal groups, mainstream media, universites and established polling groups (ie Gallup) that all paint a consistent story. The constant posting of "teabagger" pictures is just a way to avoid the real situation. It's easier to blame Obama's difficuties on racism and stupid people than the face the fact that many do not like the Dem/Obama policies and the fact that Obama and the Dems have not been very skilled in implementing their plans.

 

You're celebrating the success of a third party that's in the process of splitting your own. Perhaps you qualify for membership.

[StevenSeagal]

the fact that Obama and the Dems have not been very skilled in implementing their plans.

 

On this point I agree with you, completely.

[Peter_Puget]

I need to find that site that lets you turn photos into Obama style pictures! I'd happily wear an Z t-shirt anywhere.

 

I will point out thta after a year Obama is still blaming Bush and never once did we hear Z bash Bavasi! I guess the O is a politician and the Z a leader.

[tvashtarkatena]

Also, the fact that 30% or more of this country are out and out morons should come as no surprise to anyone. The teabagger movement is a manifestation of a stale party that, after sitting on the shelf WAY too long at room temperature, is separating, with the shit not-so-gently settling to the bottom.

 

Bottoms up!

 

It's all good for the Democrats.

[olyclimber]

I need to find that site that lets you turn photos into Obama style pictures! I'd happily wear an Z t-shirt anywhere.

 

I will point out thta after a year Obama is still blaming Bush and never once did we hear Z bash Bavasi! I guess the O is a politician and the Z a leader.

 

maybe. but at least he seems intelligent, which is more than his predecessor! hey, you gotta look at the bright side Peter! Don't be a debbie downer. i'm glad to see you embracing Hope and Change, even if it is just for the Mariners. i can send you some bumperstickers if you'd like.

[Pete_H]

Doubtful that it will become political reality, but a Euro-style multi-party system would be a benefit here instead of trying to fit hundreds of ideologies into two parties.

[j_b]

One or two polls may be in error BUT I have been posting a series of polls from both conservative and liberal groups, mainstream media, universites and established polling groups (ie Gallup) that all paint a consistent story.

 

Except that polls show unequivocally that a large majority of people and independents are for public healthcare, greater taxation of the wealthy and corporations, job creation through government intervention, no escalation of wars (if not outright withdrawal), etc ..., which shows that your desperate attempts to claim that Obama is too far left and that folks are first concerned about 'big government" are complete BULLSHIT.

[ivan]

98% of all statistics are meaningless

[j_b]

That's anti-intellectual demagoguery. Most polls are worthless because of the ideological framing used to ask questions but statistics are invaluable to any analysis.

[ivan]

That's anti-intellectual demagoguery. Most polls are worthless because of the ideological framing used to ask questions but statistics are invaluable to any analysis.

yes, i'm famously anti intellectual

 

robert mcnamara was a huge fan of stats too

[tvashtarkatena]

Ivan spends most of his free time watching little things hit littler things whilst his wife polices his drool.

[Kimmo]

That's anti-intellectual demagoguery. Most polls are worthless because of the ideological framing used to ask questions but statistics are invaluable to any analysis.

 

to deny a critique of "statistics" (as it is used in the political process and other processes) is anti-intellectual demagoguery.

[olyclimber]

[Peter_Puget]

That's my opening day T-shirt!

[minx]

oh peter, i always miss you.

[j_b]

That's anti-intellectual demagoguery. Most polls are worthless because of the ideological framing used to ask questions but statistics are invaluable to any analysis.

yes, i'm famously anti intellectual

 

robert mcnamara was a huge fan of stats too

 

Much use of statistics is bunk, and statistics can be ambiguous but statistics are on the whole very useful.

 

 

[j_b]

That's anti-intellectual demagoguery. Most polls are worthless because of the ideological framing used to ask questions but statistics are invaluable to any analysis.

 

to deny a critique of "statistics" (as it is used in the political process and other processes) is anti-intellectual demagoguery.

 

I am not sure if I follow. Proper use of statistics is very powerful.