Pete_H Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 But smoking marijuana cigarettes make blacks and Mexicans rape white women. Quote
AlpineK Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 But smoking marijuana cigarettes make blacks and Mexicans rape white women. Exactly, hiding racism behind laws aimed at protecting us is an old story. Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 In the 80s the liquor store in Whistler was in a trailer - one night someone showed up with a rig, hooked it up to the trailer and stole the whole store. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) There are a few ways to think about marijuana pricing. Marijuana is not legal in Amsterdam, contrary to popular belief. It is tolerated in certain districts however, but there is no corporate distribution/production/volume business behind it, as there is with beer. Prices run average about $9/gm, $250/oz, 4000/lb. Comparable to the low end black market pricing here. That makes sense: it's still a black market product with limited supply and high demand fueled by a healthy international tourist trade. Now let's compare that to tobacco. In the form of cigarettes, tobacco retails for $1000/lb. Surprised? Do the math. A pack of smokes retails for $5 to $8 and weighs .12 oz. Cigarette related violent crime? Um...no. But drug comparisons by weight aren't necessarily meaningful. Let's look at $/high. I'd say cigarettes are WAY more expensive than pot when measured that way. Now, let's look at beer. A yuppy beer runs you $5. It takes 3 or 4 to get you buzzed. $20 per buzz, let's say. That buys you about 2 gm of pot. Anybody gonna smoke all that in one sitting? You and your taun tuan maybe, but you alone? Good luck, Toots. Pot, even at black market prices, is already much cheaper per high than alcohol at the retail level. Supply and demand will determine the price of pot after legalization. Production wise, pot is easier to produce than tobacco, the latter of which needs huge amounts of space, infrastructure, inputs in the form of pesticides, etc. (tobacco is famously subject to a huge variety of pathogens), and a specialized climate. It's not hard to imagine that the black market price of pot will be cut in half after legalization, which would make it only twice as expensive as tobacco per lb at retail prices. Add to that its almost certain ubiquity after legalization (1 in 2 adults have smoked out, and many would gladly reduce their alcohol intake in favor a gentler, less physically painful high)and it would be hard to imagine that much, if any, pot related crime would continue to occur. So, if pot is cheaper than beer now, why the crime? Unlike alcohol, pot is concentrated, and so its easy to transport/steal a large monetary amount of it. Furthermore, grow ops are private operations that may or may not have security, and that security usually means shooting first. Add to that the healthy number of sketchy characters attracted to the illegal trades and it can be a volatile combination. Legal businesses like tobacco and alcohol, in contrast, are run by upstanding Americans who would never dream of doing anything untoward or criminal. Jokes aside, tobacco executives don't typically resort to shooting each other, although I'm sure they've thought about shooting a few lawyers from time to time. Edited December 23, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote
Off_White Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Nice rhetorical bullshit with the head of lettuce comment, OW This would simply not happen, not once, not ever, if that weed was legal Coming from the Master, I'll take that as a compliment. I don't disagree with your sentiment, I just think you overstate your case. Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 I forgot that one should never question the all knowing tvash, what was I thinking? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 It's not my fault that I'm so fucking smart. Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Don't forget kind, humble & encouraging. Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 It's not my fault that I'm so sucking fart. Fixed it ol wise one. Quote
Pete_H Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 If'n you disagree why don't you formulate a cogent fucking argument as to why. Quote
G-spotter Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Tvash, you mistake quantity for quality Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 If'n you disagree why don't you formulate a cogent fucking argument as to why. I don't really want to get sucked into a long winded megalomania trip, with someone who has never been wrong, nor ever will be. I just like flinging a little poo at the bully once in a while. That's way more fun. Quote
j_b Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Reagan's legacy is more than just the War on Drugs: the war about drugs Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) If'n you disagree why don't you formulate a cogent fucking argument as to why. I don't really want to get sucked into a long winded megalomania trip, with someone who has never been wrong, nor ever will be. I just like flinging a little poo at the bully once in a while. That's way more fun. Bully? What, you've become some kinda humorless pussy all of a sudden? Tedious. Edited December 23, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 If'n you disagree why don't you formulate a cogent fucking argument as to why. I don't really want to get sucked into a long winded megalomania trip, with someone who has never been wrong, nor ever will be. I just like flinging a little poo at the bully once in a while. That's way more fun. Bully? What, you've become some kinda humorless pussy all of a sudden? Tedious. Are you saying you are not a bully here? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Tvash, you mistake quantity for quality Dood, you're the Wal-mart container ship of posting. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Do you feel bullied? If so, why? Edited December 23, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Let's all bow for a moment of reverence to the all knowing god - tvash. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) OK, DD, I get it. Enjoy your pouting session. Sorry you couldn't hold your own or maintain your sense of humor in the debate. Edited December 23, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote
Peter_Puget Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Reagan's legacy is more than just the War on Drugs: the war about drugs Just like JFK's legacy is more than just Teddy.... Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 To be fair, Nixon started the War on Drugs, not Reagan, although the latter really took the ball and ran with it. The former's motivations seemed to center on taking revenge on a generation that bucked his policies and presidency. Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Do you feel bullied? If so, why? No, I don't feel bullied. I just get amusement out your posts, which never cease to prove to everyone that you seem to know everything about anything. Even when you talk out of your ass, you would never consider, that maybe your opinion is wrong (at least this is my perception). Yeah, you are probably right, but even if you were not, god forbid you would ever admit it. Seems to me, you have to be the biggest dick, just to get your point across. Believe me, knowing much myself about being the biggest dick... takes one to know one kinda thing. Your ego seems big, even for a climber. Sure, I could try and put my two-cents on why I speculate that the "market" has already been established and legalizing would not bring down the price as the MAN would not want to let that profit margin slip. But why go through all the trouble only to have to read some five page drivel supporting his point? When I was a kid, my dad taught me to never be afraid of the bully. Hence, I ended up in a habit of picking fights with the bully. I guess I just never outgrew the habit. Quote
denalidave Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 OK, DD, I get it. Enjoy your pouting session. Sorry you couldn't hold your own or maintain your sense of humor in the debate. Oh, it's funny all right. Believe me when I tale u, u one funny bastard! Ego maniac perhaps, but still funny, sometimes. Quote
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