JosephH Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 What is dangerous and what is ethical/good style are two different discussions. Dont bad mouth someone else's style behind a guise of "it's dangerous" We all make seperate safety decisions that we alone have to be responsible for John - I don't bad mouth someone else's style behind a guise of "it's dangerous" - I bad mouth it on both counts independently - it sucks ethically and it's incredibly stupid from a safety perspective. But you're right, people are certainly free to make stupid decisions for themselves. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 What is dangerous and what is ethical/good style are two different discussions. Dont bad mouth someone else's style behind a guise of "it's dangerous" We all make seperate safety decisions that we alone have to be responsible for John - I don't bad mouth someone else's style behind a guise of "it's dangerous" - I bad mouth it on both counts independently - it sucks ethically and it's incredibly stupid from a safety perspective. But you're right, people are certainly free to make stupid decisions for themselves. exactly. I'm all for dumbasses being allowed to dose with LSD before climbing - no matter how fucking stupid that is Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 Pulling on gear makes the baby falcons cry. Quote
JosephH Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 RuMR - it could just be that, appearances to the contrary at times, that you're simply not an idiot and do actually manage to maintain plain common sense when dogging on gear. But your experience isn't everyone else's and you clearly haven't been following along the various forums if you've missed those accidents - he'll we've had a couple of it out at Beacon in recent years. And actually I'm really good at gear, but then I also don't dog on it, good or marginal. Quote
JosephH Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 I'm all for dumbasses being allowed to dose with LSD before climbing - no matter how fucking stupid that is But then of course, you have no fucking idea how stupid or not that might or might not be so it's a pretty mute point beyond you simply talking out your ass... Pulling on gear is yet another subtopic and another bad idea unless of course you're an alpine guy. Quote
rob Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 RuMR - it could just be that, appearances to the contrary at times, that you're simply not an idiot and do actually manage to maintain plain common sense when dogging on gear. But your experience isn't everyone else's and you clearly haven't been following along the various forums if you've missed those accidents - he'll we've had a couple of it out at Beacon in recent years. And actually I'm really good at gear, but then I also don't dog on it, good or marginal. so, you're OK with people placing gear and falling on it, but they shouldn't dog it because they might not have set it right. Quote
JosephH Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 so, you're OK with people placing gear and falling on it, but they shouldn't dog it because they might not have set it right. You can laugh your ass off, but the point you're missing is it's two entirely different things - the first is weighting it or falling on it once; the second is about not rechecking it each and everytime before heading up above it again after doing so. If you can't figure out the difference it's too sad to laugh about. Quote
John Frieh Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 What is dangerous and what is ethical/good style are two different discussions. Dont bad mouth someone else's style behind a guise of "it's dangerous" We all make seperate safety decisions that we alone have to be responsible for John - I don't bad mouth someone else's style behind a guise of "it's dangerous" - I bad mouth it on both counts independently - it sucks ethically and it's incredibly stupid from a safety perspective. But you're right, people are certainly free to make stupid decisions for themselves. Style matters when it affects other people. Someone dogging their way to the top of a route doesnt affect you in any way unless they attempt to claim a FA and fail to report the moves of aid. Taking issue with how someone else climbs that doesnt affect you in anyway is frankly silly. Quote
Peter_Puget Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 I've had more bolts break on me unexpectedly than gear placements pull when I've hung on them. (Free climbing) Anyway JH your drifitng away from the subject of my post ..... Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 I'm all for dumbasses being allowed to dose with LSD before climbing - no matter how fucking stupid that is But then of course, you have no fucking idea how stupid or not that might or might not be so it's a pretty mute point beyond you simply talking out your ass... tell us how smart it is, fucknut and its "moot" not "mute" - too bad you don't exhibit more of the latter quality rather than your verbal, drug-inspired diarrhea of the mind Quote
Kimmo Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 I'm all for dumbasses being allowed to dose with LSD before climbing - no matter how fucking stupid that is But then of course, you have no fucking idea how stupid or not that might or might not be so it's a pretty mute point beyond you simply talking out your ass... i doubt he's really the type that would appreciate anything but a liquor-induced lobotomy. which it seems as though he has permanently given himself. trying to have any discourse with him is impossible; single sentence platitudes are about the extent of his cognitive repertoire. Quote
JosephH Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 tell us how smart it is, fucknut That would be akin to attempting to teach literature to chimps, don't have the time, inclination, or energy. Quote
RuMR Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) I've had more bolts break on me unexpectedly than gear placements pull when I've hung on them. (Free climbing) Anyway JH your drifitng away from the subject of my post ..... you and me need to lose some weight! hahahahaha Edited August 5, 2009 by RuMR Quote
Kimmo Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 Someone dogging their way to the top of a route doesnt affect you in any way unless they attempt to claim a FA and fail to report the moves of aid. and how would this "false" claim of FA affect one exactly? Quote
RuMR Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 i think John's point is that they might snake an FA from someone else via "trickery"... Quote
Peter_Puget Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 No shit....but the bolts broke when I was in the 140s amaybe 130s. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 I'm all for dumbasses being allowed to dose with LSD before climbing - no matter how fucking stupid that is But then of course, you have no fucking idea how stupid or not that might or might not be so it's a pretty mute point beyond you simply talking out your ass... i doubt he's really the type that would appreciate anything but a liquor-induced lobotomy. which it seems as though he has permanently given himself. trying to have any discourse with him is impossible; single sentence platitudes are about the extent of his cognitive repertoire. based on your position on vaccination alone, you are in absolutely no position to judge anyone else's cognitive abilities Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 tell us how smart it is, fucknut That would be akin to attempting to teach literature to chimps, don't have the time, inclination, or energy. whatever your LSD-laced mind says, ace Quote
Peter_Puget Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 As far as I am concerned all the 5.x a1/2 or 5.x c1/2 routes being reported in the alpine lakes forum are the result of a significant lapse of ethics! For shame! Leave those routes for someone who can climb them in good style! Quote
rob Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 Gotta dah - another time... Screw you guys, I'm going home. Quote
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