tvashtarkatena Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) It'll be refreshing to see America move away from the policies of an aggro teenager who can't acknowledge that he's not the only spoiled brat in the room to those that at least remotely resemble an adult, principled stance. Edited January 16, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 an aggro teenager who can't acknowledge that he's not the only spoiled brat in the room  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc313 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) I heard a ko-ran was flushed down the toilet. gasp. Â King George the dictator! So much for the Bill of Rights or Constitution of the united States of America! Edited January 18, 2009 by pc313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) NYT Edited January 21, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 "One person who had been read a transition memorandum on the subject said that the memo described the new administration as favoring federal court prosecution and stated that military commissions would remain in place during a review process if legal teams conclude that there are unforeseen difficulties in continuing prosecutions in existing American courts." Â Sounds like Obama wants to leave himself some wiggle room on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal_Con Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 If the torturers are guilty of war crimes those who ordered them to do so are also guilty, pack up all the bushies and send them to The Hauge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 gonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Obama the pragmatist. I'm starting to like our president more every day! Â http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/obama-softens-on-guantanamo-pledge/2009/01/12/1231608560643.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Obama's no doubt finding out just how deep a hole the Bush admininstration dug for him regarding Gitmo. Now that the head of Military Commissions admitted to torture and rejected the prosecution of its recipients, there are probably no convictions to be had amongst any of the Gitmo detainees (after all, they were most likely all tortured); leaving the possibility of having to free people with substantial terrorism evidence stacked against them. Â Yeah, it's going to take some time to unravel that ratfuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Obama's no doubt finding out just how deep a hole the Bush admininstration dug for him regarding Gitmo. Now that the head of Military Commissions admitted to torture and rejected the prosecution of its recipients, there are probably no convictions to be had amongst any of the Gitmo detainees (after all, they were most likely all tortured); leaving the possibility of having to free people with substantial terrorism evidence stacked against them. Â Yeah, it's going to take some time to unravel that ratfuck. Â Do you really think Obama is dumb enough to release this one? I don't. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 I think Obama owes Dick Cheney a thank you note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Seriously. I don't think the American public will care much about the other detainees, but even Obama doesn't possess enough political or populist capital to set Khalid Sheikh Mohammed free. He would be impeached. What do you think he'll do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Yikes! D00d's got worse back hair than me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Seriously. I don't think the American public will care much about the other detainees, but even Obama doesn't possess enough political or populist capital to set Khalid Sheikh Mohammed free. He would be impeached. What do you think he'll do? Â The American people did not vote for a maverick, they voted for change. Â Looks like they got neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 i won't like it if 8-ball is let go, but i'll deal - afterall, american criminals are let go when the cops don't follow the rules, right? that's why we're supposed to follow the fucking rules, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) This is the mastermind/planner of the 9/11 attacks. This is no ordinary criminal. It would be akin to Truman ordering the release of Tojo. Ain't gonna happen. Edited January 22, 2009 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 what are you dorks speculating about? they hasn't said they are LETTING PEOPLE GO. they have just temporarily halted the tribunals. they are going to be making decisions about how they handle these people. there are some they WANT to let go right now, and Bush didn't want to deal with their country of origin...so they weren't sure were to release them (Yemen for ex.) Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 The most recent comments were speculation in response to TTK's assertion: Â Now that the head of Military Commissions admitted to torture and rejected the prosecution of its recipients, there are probably no convictions to be had amongst any of the Gitmo detainees (after all, they were most likely all tortured); leaving the possibility of having to free people with substantial terrorism evidence stacked against them. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 well I somehow doubt TTK is a part of Obama's cabinent, nor is he an expert legal scholar. Â might as well argue about "Y" symbols in the snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) I guess, once again, you don't want to address the flaws your view holds. Only pontificate. My question was sincere. What do you think? Â Edited January 22, 2009 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 well I somehow doubt TTK is a part of Obama's cabinent, nor is he an expert legal scholar.  He believes otherwise. He freelances for the A-C-L-U don't 'cha know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) well I somehow doubt TTK is a part of Obama's cabinent, nor is he an expert legal scholar. might as well argue about "Y" symbols in the snow  I'm not only in Obama's cabinet; I'm into his Cheezits. From my vantage point here in the kitchen, a common hang out for the kind of back room talk that gits 'er dun in Washington, I'm privy to the most critical legal debates of the day, not the least of which right now is about Gitmo.  I realize that this kind of straight from the mind shaft information is difficult for your Rachel Ray palettes to handle, but that's what I'm here for. That's why they...er...I was sent here. Edited January 22, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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