prole Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 "Go out and get informed" Joe the Plumber Good advice for Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Since when was the belief in something the sole criteria for basis in truth? As in, "well, that's just what I believe". I see this everywhere now. It provides the ability for anyone anywhere to discount or denounce anything that doesn't jibe with their belief system in spite of any evidence to the contrary no matter how compelling. This turn from rationality towards blind subjectivity and "know-nothingism" is more frightening to me than any other ideological challenge we face. It lies at the heart of bigotry, chauvinist nationalism, and religious zealotry. Anybody with a philosophy background that can shed light here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeezix Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I love that the Repugnican's embraced Joe. And Sarah Palin, for that matter... The party's got a death wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Since when was the belief in something the sole criteria for basis in truth? As in, "well, that's just what I believe". I see this everywhere now. It provides the ability for anyone anywhere to discount or denounce anything that doesn't jibe with their belief system in spite of any evidence to the contrary no matter how compelling. This turn from rationality towards blind subjectivity and "know-nothingism" is more frightening to me than any other ideological challenge we face. It lies at the heart of bigotry, chauvinist nationalism, and religious zealotry. Anybody with a philosophy background that can shed light here? There have always been stupid people, it's just that now it's more acceptable for them to be stupid in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Since when was the belief in something the sole criteria for basis in truth? As in, "well, that's just what I believe". I see this everywhere now. It provides the ability for anyone anywhere to discount or denounce anything that doesn't jibe with their belief system in spite of any evidence to the contrary no matter how compelling. This turn from rationality towards blind subjectivity and "know-nothingism" is more frightening to me than any other ideological challenge we face. It lies at the heart of bigotry, chauvinist nationalism, and religious zealotry. Anybody with a philosophy background that can shed light here? Reagoniass was the "Philosopher of the Republic" extrordinaire long before your days son. He was the original "thinker" in contemporary republican philosophia. It was Reagoniass who founded the great principles of the movement such as "The unemployed don't work because they don't want to." and "there is nothing wrong with the economy". He had an uncanny knack for cutting to the core of the issue as seen from far away. His statements were made with a flair and pannashe that carried the day. There was no need for facts. It was a simpler time. A time when dumbasses could walk with their heads held high in public places. A time when they could even become Supreme Court Justices. A time in which Ann Rande would have felt plagerized. But alass, it was not to last. For the evil empires of science and democracy barked and nipped at his heels like jackals in the night. His memory did not fade for a long time and even still holds a high place in circles of the ignorant and rich. Would that they all could have stayed that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Kind of scary how Obama has used the power of government to try to shut down a private citizen with an opinion. And he's not even in office yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 When? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Kind of scary how Obama has used the power of government to try to shut down a private citizen with an opinion. And he's not even in office yet. Almost as scary as detaining people without charge indefinitely. Or, disregarding our constitution on things like eavesdropping on US citizens... Sure wish I could take back my original vote for W 8 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Since when was the belief in something the sole criteria for basis in truth? As in, "well, that's just what I believe". I see this everywhere now. It provides the ability for anyone anywhere to discount or denounce anything that doesn't jibe with their belief system in spite of any evidence to the contrary no matter how compelling. This turn from rationality towards blind subjectivity and "know-nothingism" is more frightening to me than any other ideological challenge we face. It lies at the heart of bigotry, chauvinist nationalism, and religious zealotry. Anybody with a philosophy background that can shed light here? At another time in history, this was called Romanticism, which occurred in response to the Enlightenment values of rationalism, scientific realism, and empiricism. And yeah, nationalistic at its core. The German expression: Sturm und Drang But what Joe the Plumber currently represents is very mediocre in contrast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Joe the Plumber seems like a pretty typical republican to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 joe the plumber=BORA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 13 Baby Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Kind of scary how Obama has used the power of government to try to shut down a private citizen with an opinion. And he's not even in office yet. Kind of scary how Palin thinks liberal media reports of her negative campaigning somehow infringe upon her first amendment speech rights. So much for your new Reagan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 Since when was the belief in something the sole criteria for basis in truth? As in, "well, that's just what I believe". I see this everywhere now. It provides the ability for anyone anywhere to discount or denounce anything that doesn't jibe with their belief system in spite of any evidence to the contrary no matter how compelling. This turn from rationality towards blind subjectivity and "know-nothingism" is more frightening to me than any other ideological challenge we face. It lies at the heart of bigotry, chauvinist nationalism, and religious zealotry. Anybody with a philosophy background that can shed light here? At another time in history, this was called Romanticism, which occurred in response to the Enlightenment values of rationalism, scientific realism, and empiricism. And yeah, nationalistic at its core. The German expression: Sturm und Drang But what Joe the Plumber currently represents is very mediocre in contrast. Good call. Thnx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Didn't those Republican Watergate burglars pose as plumbers to get in? Then we got Joe the plumber who espouses the republican mantra of facts and science are bogus. How are we gonna get richer offa this? Now we have Fairweather the plumber. After several years of being told we are "unpatriotic" for not supporting the war in Iraq by our president, after our vice president publicly identified the whistle blower in the Abu Garub scandal (in effect, tried to get him killed), After that same VP outed a CIA operative and got her most if not all of her former contacts killed, NOW, NOW, Fairweather the plumber wants us to condemn Obama for publically disagreeing with Joe the plumber. I have to ask you Fairweather, what is Joe the Plumber losing here? What is he at risk of by Obobma disagreeing with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) Kind of scary how much of a third string propagandist FW is. A junkyard mutt wouldn't swallow his shitebites if he wrapped them in bacon and stuck 'em up a squirrel's ass. Edited November 2, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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