Will there be riots when Obama loses?

[Fairweather]

How many points/EC votes will McCain/Palin have to win by to convince the psychotic left that the will of the American people has been cast? And with all of the hope invested in Obama this past year, will the inevitable clear and decisive McCain/Palin victory on election night result in an orgy of window-smashing violence by our nation's lefty kooks?

[olyclimber]

Actually, I think monkeys may fly out of my butt.

 

But that might happen either way.

[STP]

I don't know the numbers of black voters who felt disenfranchised during the 2000 elections but I heard it was significant. This time around with what is looking to be a historic election I believe that voting will side largely along the racial divide, in which case the majority will win.

 

So who knows? Maybe calm and peace will prevail with a smooth transition. I get the feeling however that we might be in for some tumultuous times not just with potential race issues including immigration but also with a lowered standard of living due to joblessness and inflation.

 

Gut feelings, what good are they? But then, maybe the sun will rise again tomorrow.

 

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All I know is that we NEED more cowbell!

[olyclimber]

well no doubt, which ever candidate wins is going to win a flaming bag of shit, courtesy of the current administration.

[mattp]

well no doubt, which ever candidate wins is going to win a flaming bag of shit, courtesy of the current administration.

 

 

Yup. Purely partisan politics might suggest that we let the Republicans win this one so THEIR guy has to face the mess that THEY have created. After all, it doesn't look like the next President will be able to punt on either Iraq or the economy. Then a Democrat might offer to save the day in 2012.

[Doug]

But none of the mess of which you speak could possibly have been brought on by the last 8 years of executive administration, could it?

[Doug]

Oh, and to answer FW's question. My guess is probably not.

[Mal_Con]

Helter Skelter

[Fairweather]

well no doubt, which ever candidate wins is going to win a flaming bag of shit, courtesy of the current administration.

 

 

Yup. Purely partisan politics might suggest that we let the Republicans win this one so THEIR guy has to face the mess that THEY have created. After all, it doesn't look like the next President will be able to punt on either Iraq or the economy. Then a Democrat might offer to save the day in 2012.

Strategic defeat? Is this a Democrat principle I am unaware of? It sounds viable--given their history of ankle grabbing since Jimmy Carter.

[olyclimber]

you may want to check your dictionary. i believe that would be called "tactical". "strategic" defeat is the weapon of the Republican party.

[Fairweather]

Nope. I'll leave it as is. But I did change "Democratic" to Democrat.

[prole]

How many points/EC votes will McCain/Palin have to win by to convince the psychotic left that the will of the American people has been cast? And with all of the hope invested in Obama this past year, will the inevitable clear and decisive McCain/Palin victory on election night result in an orgy of window-smashing violence by our nation's lefty kooks?

 

 

Given the political scorched-earth campaigns the Repubs have waged with their 51% "mandates" over the last decade and the complete farce the 2008 campaign is shaping up to be, I'd be surprised if we didn't see some "uppity-ness". Bring it on.

[olyclimber]

Well to err is to be a Republican! Might as well embrace that and run with it. Never admit you're wrong! It is not a Republican value.

 

But seriously, you misused the term.

[STP]

Those graphs on the other threads seem to indicate that either the two candidates and/or the two parties are moving closer together or that voters are not as partisan as we believe, that one can have a mix of beliefs along the liberal-conservative, statist-libertarian lines that do not clearly define one as Republican or Democrat. In other words, more voters are actually becoming swing voters (Independent).

 

The current mess shaping up is the fault of both parties.

[Fairweather]

Well to err is to be a Republican! Might as well embrace that and run with it. Never admit you're wrong! It is not a Republican value.

 

But seriously, you misused the term.

 

I think either are valid. I always think of strategerry...I mean strategy in terms of big picture--and this clearly fits Matt's stated/secret desire.

 

Strategic

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stra·te·gic /strəˈtidʒɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[struh-tee-jik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective

1. pertaining to, characterized by, or of the nature of strategy: strategic movements.

2. important in or essential to strategy.

3. (of an action, as a military operation or a move in a game) forming an integral part of a stratagem: a strategic move in a game of chess.

4. Military.

a. intended to render the enemy incapable of making war, as by the destruction of materials, factories, etc.: a strategic bombing mission.

b. essential to the conduct of a war: Copper is a strategic material.

 

 

 

 

Tactical

 

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tac·ti·cal /ˈtæktɪkəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tak-ti-kuhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective

1. of or pertaining to tactics, esp. military or naval tactics.

2. characterized by skillful tactics or adroit maneuvering or procedure: tactical movements.

3. of or pertaining to a maneuver or plan of action designed as an expedient toward gaining a desired end or temporary advantage.

4. expedient; calculated.

5. prudent; politic.

[prole]

skeet, skeet, skeet

[olyclimber]

throw the battle to win the war sounds like the very classic definition of tactical vs. strategic to me.

 

but it also doesn't sound like a good tactic OR strategy to me either. if you can fix shit, then get to fixing it NOW.

 

and the truth is, I just don't see how either party is going to be able to look good given what they would be handed.

 

 

[Fairweather]

throw the battle to win the war sounds like the very classic definition of tactical vs. strategic to me.

 

but it also doesn't sound like a good tactic OR strategy to me either. if you can fix shit, then get to fixing it NOW.

 

and the truth is, I just don't see how either party is going to be able to look good given what they would be handed.

 

 

If you listen to the pundits on both sides, this election is the war. But I agree; we're in a bit of trouble.

[prole]

Yes "a bit of trouble" to say the least. This election has turned into the national joke (hence my ageist comments). Given the scale and scope of the crisis our country and our planet is facing, the stakes have perhaps never been higher. Our political leadership has never been more impotent, our national political discourse more banal and cynical. I am not an alarmist, but taking a longer-term view of things given this toxic mixture, I would say there will be upheavals in the coming years the likes of which have not been seen since our grandpappy's day.

[billcoe]

If you can get everyone to believe the gloom and doom scenario it will be acted out. That simple.

 

 

The next President will be Barak Obama. I have been putting my money where my mouth is using the glorious winnings from my "Hillary not being the democratic nominee" to fund this joyride. This is not to say I am looking forward to him f*ing up the county like I highly suspect he will. Just that it will be his turn. "Real change", the oft repeated and perhaps the only Obama campaign slogan, doesn't tell the koolaid drinkers if it might not be bad change. Like "Real Bad change". They will learn all this later of course, much to their chagrin. The true believers are already parsing their comments and blaming Bush for the future so that their guy can get a free ride...see that up there?

 

I suspect BO may be the lesser of the 2 evils, and his Biden pick vs McCains pick, put it that way for me. I mean, I want to "believe" in the guy, but I don't "Believe" in the tooth fairy or Santa Clause any more for a reason. Belief is fine and all, but what have you ACTUALLY done in life? Not a hell of a lot in Obamas case.

[mattp]

The next President will be Barak Obama.

 

Gawd, I hope so. Despite my post above, I can't imagine how ANYBODY could prefer McCain. As I've said on a number of issues, I believe that there is a large amount of inertia in the system and neither one is going to "change" as much as any of us might hope, but they are different.

 

McCain

• talks about and promotes war over diplomacy
  
• says giving more money to the rich is the answer to our economic woes
• says we can drill our way to oil independence
• has taken to some of the most dishonest election tactics we've seen in recent years
• repeats the right wing mantra that government is bad and will continue to make it so
  

 

Obama

• talks about restoring cooperation with our allies and promoting diplomacy over war
• says that those who are hurting need tax breaks more than those who are not, and balancing the budget is part of restoring our economy
• wants to pursue renewable energy sources and turn away from oil
• has thus far avoided stooping to McCain's level of dishonest campaigning
• says that government functions can be improved
  

 

Even if you believe these points are all just electioneering, it is the Republican foreign and domestic priorities that have caused or at least failed to address our biggest problems today -- the middle east is not going well and our economic system has been badly damaged by greed unrestricted through deregulation. Even if you hold the cynical views expressed by the right around here, I'd say an Obama who is held back by "the system" would be better than a McCain who is driven by it.

[TREETOAD]

Robert Mugabi has more international esteem than Mrs. Palin will enjoy if the unthinkable should happen. The dictators of the world used to murder all the educated people in order to stay in power. It looks as if the Right's way of producing the same effect is just not to have any to start with, by dumbing down the people.

[Buckaroo]

If the election is not rigged Obama will win. He has to, if not it will be like Rome and go down. There's a reason the dems have power for 40 years and the repugs only get about 10. It takes much longer to build something up than it does to tear it down.

 

But the repug election theft machine is more or less still in place, Obama needs a wider margin.

 

Fairweather sez"" But I agree; we're in a bit of trouble. ""

 

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!! ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

 

YA THINK? ONLY A BIT???

 

Numerous world record corrupt bankruptcies, many bailed out by borrowing even more at taxpayer expense. Privatized profit, publicized loss, corporate socialism.

 

Poverty, crime on the rise, wages stagnant or in decline, jobs stagnant or in decline, job quality in decline. New world record; corporate profits, corruption, white collar crime, deficit, and debt.

 

450 point Dow drop, biggest since 9-11, legalized pyramid scheme, how many insiders have R's after their name?

 

 

[Fairweather]

Robert Mugabi has more international esteem than Mrs. Palin will enjoy if the unthinkable should happen. The dictators of the world used to murder all the educated people in order to stay in power. It looks as if the Left's way of producing the same effect is just not to have any to start with, by dumbing down the people.

 

NEA and their state arms have supported Democrats for decades. I'm glad you're placing the blame for the state of American K-12 education squarely where it belongs.

[Fairweather]

If the election is not rigged Obama will win. He has to, if not it will be like Rome and go down.

 

"Cheater cheater cheater!!!! There's no way McCain can win. After all, I don't know anyone who is voting for him!"

 

You're like an even dumber version of Tvash.