or the truth might get in......

[akhalteke]

ARe you still living in a cave??? There is evidence of microscopic life on Mars. Did the "intelligent designer" fairy start something over there and just give up??? And if this designer were intelligent, who made you?

 

You seem angry. Would you like to try and answer my question?

 

Come back in a couple of years after you've done your homework.

 

I did. Post-grad.

[ClipStick]

So who created God then??

 

Your question is not currently answerable, because SCIENCE has not yet determined the actual beginning of life on Earth...It has apparently started on another planet, so it is likely to have started elsewhere, under drastically different conditions that here on Earth, without the "hand of god" mixing the stew.

 

Your answer to the question is your Faith, it is what you have been trained to believe, and I respect it is true to you and therefor is important.

Edited September 9, 2008 by FamilyMan

[tvashtarkatena]

ARe you still living in a cave??? There is evidence of microscopic life on Mars. Did the "intelligent designer" fairy start something over there and just give up??? And if this designer were intelligent, who made you?

 

You seem angry. Would you like to try and answer my question?

 

Come back in a couple of years after you've done your homework.

 

I did. Post-grad.

 

Apparently not in the subjects under discussion, unless you had someone else take the classes for you, given your 6th grade level understanding of it.

[akhalteke]

I didn't look down on yours. I didn't even say what I believe. You interpolated. I merely stated that assuming that someone else was wrong despite the ability to state the rationale is idiotic. I think TVaskartakena has met the definition. Bubye for now. Gotta work.

[tvashtarkatena]

...and no. I don't think that a piece of granite is alive. Where are you going with this? I think you are interpolating a bit much here buddy.

 

By way of example, educate the scientific community on whether or not a prion, or simpler self replicating organic structures, are alive. It awaits your discoveries.

[tvashtarkatena]

And AKA is right; I do look down on those who ignorantly discuss a subject about which they know virtually nothing. Alive/Not alive may not be a simple question, but dumb is dumb.

Edited September 9, 2008 by tvashtarkatena

[ClipStick]

What was this thread about...oh yeah...that Palin woman...and her stance on issues.

 

The "special" needs funding is one to address, of course she would be pushing for increased funding, she has a special needs child. What about the special needs children of the entire country?? Will she be pushing for Federal increases in funding for these programs??? or is that socialism???

[Off_White]

"My people believe that we all came from little balls of frozen sweat in the armpits of the Frost Giants, what do your people believe?"

 

 

It really startled the missionaries at my door when I trotted my ancestral creation myth past them. It's certainly as plausible as Intelligent Design.

[ivan]

there is no life - take the blue pill!

[Stonehead]

[akhalteke]

And AKA is right; I do look down on those who ignorantly discuss a subject about which they know virtually nothing. Alive/Not alive may not be a simple question, but dumb is dumb.

 

Right. So where did it start then and how? If you cannot answer this simple fundamental question, why should anyone believe you? You seem quite angry about my questions. Considering that I am not a proponent of Intelligent Design and merely providing social commentary about how abrasive you are, you might consider toning it down.

 

I just find it ironic that you cannot even state the most fundamental principle of the theory that you think is the only possible solution to a given problem. It is a might hypocritical to bash people for not understanding the premises of their beliefs while you, yourself cannot do the same for your own.

 

FWIW, scientists have been debating whether viruses were alive or not for quite some time. I don't really see what that has to do with the question I posed other than as a diversion.

 

Can you answer the question yet?

[TRbetaFlash]

The reason the question isn't answered yet is precisely the same reason there are multiple hypotheses. Therefore, you will both go back and forth in circles, failing to convince the other of your particular hypothesis.

 

[olyclimber]

yeah. its called logic. really, really smart people kind of logic.

[akhalteke]

The reason the question isn't answered yet is precisely the same reason there are multiple hypotheses. Therefore, you will both go back and forth in circles, failing to convince the other of your particular hypothesis.

 

Precisely. I have not denounced either him or his hypothesis. Tvash on the other hand has attacked me and the theory that he thinks I support. See? If we were nicer, we could have saved a page of semantics.

[TRbetaFlash]

There! We've done it! Now we know that we all know nothing, and that all we have is hope. Furthermore, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. No more cliches, I promise..

 

Obama/Biden '08!

[tvashtarkatena]

The reason the question isn't answered yet is precisely the same reason there are multiple hypotheses. Therefore, you will both go back and forth in circles, failing to convince the other of your particular hypothesis.

 

Precisely. I have not denounced either him or his hypothesis. Tvash on the other hand has attacked me and the theory that he thinks I support. See? If we were nicer, we could have saved a page of semantics.

 

I'll let you start answering your own question, my little Post Grad, by defining for the rest of us, in generally excepted scientific terms, what criteria constitute being alive as opposed to not being alive.

 

Surely you can answer this simple prerequisite question. Good luck.

Edited September 9, 2008 by tvashtarkatena

[prole]

I just find it ironic that you cannot even state the most fundamental principle of the theory that you think is the only possible solution to a given problem.

 

I find it frustrating that people who engage in this issue from the ID side rarely seem to acknowledge the most fundamental recognition that science is a method, not a belief system. ID hucksters place scientists in an impossible position by requiring that they be able to posit an explanation for the entire mechanics of the universe. Scientific endeavor is founded on the assumption that "we don't know, but we have the means to find out". That intelligent designsters are able to point unequivocally to God because "this I believe" or "well, science can't explain it so..." is not a strength. It represents a failure in the desire to push the boundaries of human knowledge using the scientific method already at our disposal and a return to medieval systems of belief to explain the natural world. Not good. That ID seeks to discredit "science" because it can't explain the life in the first instance as it occurred some billions of years ago is patently absurd when human being didn't know what germs were 150 years ago.

[ivan]

what criteria constitute being alive as opposed to not being alive.

breathing

eating

shitting

wearing digital watches

jerking off

engaging in playful banter on corruptive bbs's

[sobo]

wasn't begetting offspring one of those prerequisites, too?

[akhalteke]

If the scientific community cannot agree as a whole, I would humbly submit that I do not know.

 

Now, have you had time to formulate your answer as to where and how life began? Or would you rather keep asking diversion questions in the hopes that I might be distracted?

[akhalteke]

I would say that reproduction would be a good one, though that it contested; as is metabolism.

[akhalteke]

I would also submit evolutionary change (or at least the possibility of said change).

[tvashtarkatena]

If the scientific community cannot agree as a whole, I would humbly submit that I do not know.

 

Now, have you had time to formulate your answer as to where and how life began? Or would you rather keep asking diversion questions in the hopes that I might be distracted?

 

Actually, the scientific community has had a working definition for what constitutes being alive for quite some time.

 

You want short answer for a question that doesn't have one. I've asked a basic definitional question (which also doesn't have a short answer, but at least it has one) to assess your ability to meaningfully participate in a useful discussion. Otherwise, why waste our time?

 

Clock's ticking. Quit nickle and diming and poking at it. Either admit you don't know or let's hear the complete answer.

Edited September 10, 2008 by tvashtarkatena

[ivan]

Now, have you had time to formulate your answer as to where and how life began?

a long time ago

in a galaxy far, far away

 

 

so, true believer, is god alive?

[akhalteke]

If the scientific community cannot agree as a whole, I would humbly submit that I do not know.

 

Now, have you had time to formulate your answer as to where and how life began? Or would you rather keep asking diversion questions in the hopes that I might be distracted?

 

Actually, the scientific community has had a working definition for what constitutes being alive for quite some time.

 

You want short answer for a question that doesn't have one. I've asked a basic definitional question (which also doesn't have a short answer, but at least it has one) to assess your ability to meaningfully participate in a useful discussion. Otherwise, why waste our time?

 

Clock's ticking. Quit nickle and diming and poking at it. Either admit you don't know or let's hear the complete answer.

 

1) made of 1 or more cells

2) contain DNA as genetic material

3) respond to stimuli

4) metabolize (take in energy and carbon and make waste)

5) reproduce

6) evolutionary change

1 year ago

Source(s):

"Biology", 5th edition; Campbell, Mitchell and Reece

 

but wait, this doesn't include things that some scientists say are alive! Does that mean that I was right and that the scientific community is at odds? Face it Tvash, you are B.S.ing and you know it.