KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 no. i'm talking about where on the spectrum you really fit when you describe yourself as a "moderate". are you the center of the universe? I assume that's a rhetorical you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 well j_b...it might be that there are some idealists who think that the concept of a freemarket is bullet proof...these people aren't out to "make a buck"...they are true believers (just like some idealists believe that the concept of communism can work). i don't think either people are "evil" or out to crush the will of the people or make a buck at the peoples expense. they just believe in that particular system. Sure, there are ideologues but I was talking about the financial interests behind the "free market" think tanks responsible for the way the issue is framed by corporate media: "big government", "nanny state", "death tax", "statist", ... then you have the actual implementers of either system. there are a lot of good people, but in the end both system have boiled up some pretty bad apples. it seems that ugliness has ensued in either case...though one could argue that one system is less ugly than the other. I am not for one system or the other. I am for a mixed economy. I fully believe that public policy should express the need of most and protect their livelyhood against irresponsable financial practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 exactly the point there minx you go hard left, then you take a hard right, and you end up in the center! must be a moderate! that's what makes the linear scale so inadequate. in reality, moderates don't make hard lefts and hard rights, they make less severe turns here and there, which are only identified as "hard" turns by those on the extreme opposite, kool-aid drinking club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 you assume wrong. you're the one defining yourself as a "moderate". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 what if i go left and right? You would end up in spray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 exactly the point there minx you go hard left, then you take a hard right, and you end up in the center! must be a moderate! that's what makes the linear scale so inadequate. in reality, moderates don't make hard lefts and hard rights, they make less severe turns here and there, which are only identified as "hard" turns by those on the extreme opposite, kool-aid drinking club its a per issue world. but if simplifying things down helps you understand it then "what ever floats your boat". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 you assume wrong. you're the one defining yourself as a "moderate". You assume wrong. I never defined myself as moderate. I never called anyone a moderate. I only pointed out that to a left-wing extremist a *moderate* appears to be a right wing extremist. So, keep on with your bad self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 dodge and weave champ. you implied it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Also, your speculation on my voting record is just that. You have no facts. I note that you didn't deny it and I recall you as being pretty far to the right. An independent moderate looks far to the right to someone as far out in left field as yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 dodge and weave champ. you implied it. No, I did not. I implied that perhaps Tomtom was not a right-winger. You lose. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Also, your speculation on my voting record is just that. You have no facts. I note that you didn't deny it and I recall you as being pretty far to the right. An independent moderate looks far to the right to someone as far out in left field as yourself. Yes, I responded to j_b (an extreme leftie) accusations against Tomtom (doubtful he's a right-wing extremist) You lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 exactly the point there minx you go hard left, then you take a hard right, and you end up in the center! must be a moderate! dmvf3b6GvEA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 what if i go left and right? Makes you a switch hitter. Definitely improves the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 what if i go left and right? You swing both ways, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Also, your speculation on my voting record is just that. You have no facts. I note that you didn't deny it and I recall you as being pretty far to the right. An independent moderate looks far to the right to someone as far out in left field as yourself. Yes, I responded to j_b (an extreme leftie) accusations against Tomtom (doubtful he's a right-wing extremist) You lose. lose? yes. i lose for engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. its obvious that you're referring to yourself above. but deny it if you want, i'm going to continue to "lose" and argue that with you enjoy, you are winnar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 lose? yes. i lose for engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. its obvious that you're referring to yourself above. but deny it if you want, i'm going to continue to "lose" and argue that with you enjoy, you are winnar! Based on the flow of the thread, and the nesting of quotes, it's obvious I was referring to Tomtom. Furthermore, I have told you so. Your denial of your mistake only makes you look like a fool. Congrats for being the spray-jester once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) Moderators, these people won't stop claiming to be moderates. In a relative, expanding universe, it's best to constantly swerve. Edited March 21, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Just bringing us back to reality boys...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 10 days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 KKK used to be to the right of Attila the Hun, but he may have grown tired of looking bad considering pretty much everything he defended in this forum has turned out to be a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 The political universe throws more curve balls than anything else. One minute you're out in left field, the next your crossing home plate. It's a game with no rules and a hundred million umpires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I heard KKK has man boobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 KKK used to be to the right of Attila the Hun, but he may have grown tired of looking bad considering pretty much everything he defended in this forum has turned out to be a bust. Interesting choice of historical figures, especially considering the more apt analogy would be of j_b as the disenfranchised outsider looking to overthrow the establishment with whatever means are necessary to justify your ends, and yours truly as the "conservative" striving to maintain and justify the status quo (that is Rome). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I heard KKK has man boobs. Hey look, it's Kevbone on the far right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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