tvashtarkatena Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Oh and what about Jimmies ardent support of the miserably failed non aliened movement? Oh the things we choose to forget. We can, to a very large part, thank Jimmy for the overthrow of the Shah, the return of Khomeini, and a lot of our current problems with Iran. Caught you peeking again, KKK! Nope. The Shah was Nixon's idea. And, (need I even mention this?) Carter didn't order the Islamic Revolution either. I know, it's a surprise to some, but nations do have their own internal politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 You're kidding, right? Even the Republican candidates are running from the Bush legacy. democrats ran from the clinton legacy. Faking the intelligence and starting an unnecessary war, kennedy did this. so did reagan. i'd imagine this has happened a few times in our illustrious history. allowing an average of 7% increase in domestic spending a year while the Repubs held sway democrats have never increased spending?? nor any other president??? passing a Medicare bill that's a deficit hog and giveaway to the drug companies oh my, the rich history of government giveaways to corporations is nothing new. making the US the torture leader of the free world no other country is engaged in as high-profile a war right now. also remember the brits in basra. same twisted shit from any country engaged in this kind of crap. losing all the world good will we had after 911 and those strategic alliances which "strategic alliance" are you referring to exactly? anyways, i think the rest of your complaints can be treated in a similar manner as above, meaning: there are ample historical precedents for the conduct Bush has engaged in. fyi, i'm not a bush supporter, but the hyperbole just gets a bit tedious, the whole sky is falling song and dance routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Don't use the phrase 'oh my' Sense. It sounds ghey. Democrats GOOD, Republicans EVIL, mkay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 fyi, i'm not a bush supporter, but the hyperbole just gets a bit tedious, the whole sky is falling song and dance routine. Amen, Cocoa. Things aren't perfect, but they aren't awful either. And they will not change much with any D or R installed as our 44th president - at least from the current crop running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Don't use the phrase 'oh my' Sense. It sounds ghey. Democrats GOOD, Republicans EVIL, mkay? if screwing your tits didn't make me gay, i don't think affectations such as "oh my" will, honey bunch. now i get to go to work, gripper boy. booyea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I've found myself wanting to commend SC for his analysis here contra Jim in the same way that I found myself wanting to congratulate KFed on his parenting skills contra Brittney... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Don't use the phrase 'oh my' Sense. It sounds ghey. Democrats GOOD, Republicans EVIL, mkay? if screwing your tits didn't make me gay, i don't think affectations such as "oh my" will, honey bunch. now i get to go to work, gripper boy. booyea. how was the gym last night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Don't use the phrase 'oh my' Sense. It sounds ghey. Democrats GOOD, Republicans EVIL, mkay? if screwing your tits didn't make me gay, i don't think affectations such as "oh my" will, honey bunch. now i get to go to work, gripper boy. booyea. You lust after my ViceGripper, Sense, but you shall not have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 anyways, i think the rest of your complaints can be treated in a similar manner as above, meaning: there are ample historical precedents for the conduct Bush has engaged in. I think the difference is that this idiot managed to do all of this at once. Quite an accomplishment. With Vietnam we could walk away and it didn't really matter much. In Iraq, we've made such a mess of things that there are no good options - and it will have long lasting repercussions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 SC, You make some good points, other presidents have done stupid/bad things. Though I do believe Bush is atop the heap in terms of making torture an official public policy of the United States. His civil liberties policies make him among the worst offenders and is my main cause for worry that the sky is falling (c.f. Naomi Wolfe video). Bush also resides in the top of the pack of presidents who have pushed our country into unnecessary wars. Bush also seems to be up there with Jimmy Carter in terms of having like nothing go right while he is at the helm. Victim of a bad situation? Victim of really stupid policy of hiring incompetent idealogues into tough important positions? Whatever the cause, he's certainly got the stink of failure hanging over his presidency. So anyway, my point is that, yes, for any single knock on the Bush presidency you can find someone in the last 42 prez's who's close to matching him (except for the official torture policy). However, tough to find anyone that shares the lead in so many categories. Bush has run the table! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 With Vietnam we could walk away and it didn't really matter much. Maybe to you, but I'll guess a few Vietnamese have a differing point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 anyways, i think the rest of your complaints can be treated in a similar manner as above, meaning: there are ample historical precedents for the conduct Bush has engaged in. I think the difference is that this idiot managed to do all of this at once. Quite an accomplishment. With Vietnam we could walk away and it didn't really matter much. In Iraq, we've made such a mess of things that there are no good options - and it will have long lasting repercussions . Last time I checked Vietnam is still a country divided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Are you mistaking Vietnam with Korea, or is this a metaphor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Are you mistaking Vietnam with Korea, or is this a metaphor? The uniting of the country was done by force. The Socialist Republic of Vietnam. I'm sure there more than one person there that doesn't feel like its united. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I would think a generous injection would stimulate this sleepy economy. It just requires the right package. But, then your package couldn't be considered unless one ascribed to homoeopathy. Not sure how you obtain your information, but it certainly isn't anywhere near the size of the telephone pole firmly lodged up your ass. You were the one who insisted on using your tongue to "forestall future fecal impactions". And, although your tongue dwarfs your appendage lower, it really isn't larger than normal. A pity the peccadillos of the sexually insecure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Sort of like what was done in the US civil war? Or perhaps what is being done in Iraq right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 [quote=sirwoofalot[ Oh and what about Jimmies ardent support of the miserably failed non aliened movement? Earthspeak, please. Jimmy Carters non-respond to the USSR’s ever growing empire and expansion resulted and the rise of the Taliban to over throw the USSR in Afghanistan. If JC had done what he should have in 1979 when those communist bastards invaded Afghanistan then the Taliban would never had formed. Sorry, that was the non aligned movement in the 1970’s. Perhaps you are too young to remember or perhaps you just choose to forget what a complete and inept idiot JC was. It seems like most people want to forget or justify how the entire democratic party is filled with lying, cheating, immoral, idiots!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 [quote=sirwoofalot[ Oh and what about Jimmies ardent support of the miserably failed non aliened movement? Earthspeak, please. Jimmy Carters non-respond to the USSR’s ever growing empire and expansion resulted and the rise of the Taliban to over throw the USSR in Afghanistan. If JC had done what he should have in 1979 when those communist bastards invaded Afghanistan then the Taliban would never had formed. Sorry, that was the non aligned movement in the 1970’s. Perhaps you are too young to remember or perhaps you just choose to forget what a complete and inept idiot JC was. It seems like most people want to forget or justify how the entire democratic party is filled with lying, cheating, immoral, idiots!!! Well, although possibly an idiot, Jimmy Carter was NOT lying, cheating, or immoral. And not really an idiot either. A crappy president, yes, but be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Sort of like what was done in the US civil war? Or perhaps what is being done in Iraq right now? Or by Stalin when he killed 20 million of his own country men. Or Hitler cleaning Germany of his enemy. Doesn't make it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 What should JC have done? Started the end of the world by lobbing a couple ICBM's over the pole? That would've prevented the rise of the Taliban alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 So Seahawks do I understand you correctly that you think the War of Northern Agression* was not OK, that Lincoln should have let the South secede? * The term a good Southerner uses when referring to the US Civil War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hell this fighting been going long before our modern history. We could do like we did in WWII and stay out of it. But eventually when force is not met with force the fight would come to us. I think we eventually will get out of Iraq and back away from Iran and someday be dealing with a nuclear bomb in one of our major cities. Then we can blame that on the liberal idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 [quote=sirwoofalot[ Oh and what about Jimmies ardent support of the miserably failed non aliened movement? Earthspeak, please. Jimmy Carters non-respond to the USSR’s ever growing empire and expansion resulted and the rise of the Taliban to over throw the USSR in Afghanistan. If JC had done what he should have in 1979 when those communist bastards invaded Afghanistan then the Taliban would never had formed. Sorry, that was the non aligned movement in the 1970’s. Perhaps you are too young to remember or perhaps you just choose to forget what a complete and inept idiot JC was. It seems like most people want to forget or justify how the entire democratic party is filled with lying, cheating, immoral, idiots!!! Well, although possibly an idiot, Jimmy Carter was NOT lying, cheating, or immoral. And not really an idiot either. A crappy president, yes, but be fair. OK I will concede your points on JC, but I would like to point out some deffintions here. Democrat The root is Democracy – Majority rule. Socialist – Minority rule. The Democrats are a bunch of socialist! Why don’t they just change their party name to what they really are? The Idiots! To damn stupid to know they are a standard contradiction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Well why not. You blame everything under the sun on liberal idiots. Jimmy Carter is to blame for the Taliban, Lyndon Johnson is responsible for the US-China trade deficit, and JFK is the reason your dick is so short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Well why not. You blame everything under the sun on liberal idiots. Jimmy Carter is to blame for the Taliban, Lyndon Johnson is responsible for the US-China trade deficit, and JFK is the reason your dick is so short. Seahawks is the illegitimate son of Billy Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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