Gore - Nobel

[Chopi]

The Right are just bitter because they don't have anyone who's deserving.

 

Reagan was a hell of a lot more deserving than Gore, and the absence of his name from the roster tells you more about the ideological precommitments of the folks in Stockholm than it does about the actual merits of the nominees.

 

Wow. This is a new conspiracy theory just waiting for someone to tackle it. Socialists in Stockholm applying undue pressure on the socialists in Norway who actually decide who gets the Peace Prize! Is this possibly the first left-wing conspiracy?? Wait, maybe JayB doesn't know which country's borders Oslo lies within... (Everyone knows it's CzechOSLOvakia...)

[catbirdseat]

Okay, KK, can you put forth the name of someone you think would be deserving of the Peace Prize and back it up with some facts in support of this person?

[JosephH]

Whatever criteria they use to determine winners has clearly become vague and nebulous enough to render the prize meaningless.

 

Microlending, Green-Belts, and now Al Gore's ruminations on Global Warming.

 

Seems to me that a massive allocation of resources away from programs that could actually do quite a bit more to alleviate human suffering - from economic development, to clean drinking water, to reforestation, to malaria preventon, etc, etc, etc - and into measures which stand to have little or no effect on the ultimate outcome, while diminishing the pool of economic resources available to fund the aforementioned programs could just as easily lead to an amount of conflict and suffering that's just as great as any that might be caused by the warming itself.

 

Microlending = economic development

Green-Belts = reforestation & clean drinking water

[spotly]

I know Reagan has practically been sainted for his foreign policy work, but I contend he was largely in the right place at the right time. history is being kind to him. Hell, history's being kind to NIXON anymore.....

That's BS. There's enough idiots on both sides of the aisle deserving of that kind of shit bomb but denying Reagan his due is just plain revisionist history instigated by haters of all things not Left.

[chucK]

I guess I'm totally out of this conversation. What the hell did Reagan do that deserves the Nobel Peace Prize? Accelerating the demise of the Soviet Union by bringing the world to the brink of nuclear destruction a few times? Giving arms to the Iranians and importing cocaine from Nicaragua? Perhaps it would be for liberating Grenada?

 

C'mon guys, which one of these things do you want to give Reagan a peace prize for? :head scratching gremlin:

[joblo7]

good points!!

 

[JayB]

Whatever criteria they use to determine winners has clearly become vague and nebulous enough to render the prize meaningless.

 

Microlending, Green-Belts, and now Al Gore's ruminations on Global Warming.

 

Seems to me that a massive allocation of resources away from programs that could actually do quite a bit more to alleviate human suffering - from economic development, to clean drinking water, to reforestation, to malaria preventon, etc, etc, etc - and into measures which stand to have little or no effect on the ultimate outcome, while diminishing the pool of economic resources available to fund the aforementioned programs could just as easily lead to an amount of conflict and suffering that's just as great as any that might be caused by the warming itself.

 

Microlending = economic development

Green-Belts = reforestation & clean drinking water

 

I must have missed the calls to fundamentally reorder civilization in order to advance either cause.

[whirlwind]

what about this guy? he saved us all

 

 

[JayB]

I guess I'm totally out of this conversation. What the hell did Reagan do that deserves the Nobel Peace Prize? Accelerating the demise of the Soviet Union by bringing the world to the brink of nuclear destruction a few times? Giving arms to the Iranians and importing cocaine from Nicaragua? Perhaps it would be for liberating Grenada?

 

C'mon guys, which one of these things do you want to give Reagan a peace prize for? :head scratching gremlin:

 

His strategic initiatives put him in a more effective position to negotiate in a manner that effectively ended both the Cold War and, as you suggest, accelerate the end of the Soviet Union. There are some renegade historians who haven suggested that the coincident occurrence was non-random. Playing a decisive roll in bringing a 40 year old conflict in which the end of civilization via hostile exchange of ICBM's was a possibility that serious people had to contemplate, and which had spawned open conflict in a series of proxy wars might be considered consistent with advancing peace in some circles.

 

Tell me more about these multiple episodes of near nuclear destruction, though. I'm quite familiar with the Cuban Missile Crisis, but would like to learn more about escalations of an equal magnitude and severity that occurred in the eighties.

[marylou]

Tell me more about these multiple episodes of near nuclear destruction, though. I'm quite familiar with the Cuban Missile Crisis, but would like to learn more about escalations of an equal magnitude and severity that occurred in the eighties.

 

Or the 1970s for that matter, so let's coronate Nixon, Ford, and Carter for dodging that bullet. *Whew.*

 

Jay, I guess i've come to expect a little more from you than that, but if you really think we need to put ol' Jerry Ford up for a Nobel Peace Prize, let's get on it. I think Carter already won it, and Tricky Dick was a criminal, so let's all get behind Ford, one of the all-time presidents for.....oh yeah, having a pulse, and not getting us into too much trouble. Kind of the American Dream, that.

 

[Raindawg]

I know Reagan has practically been sainted for his foreign policy work, but I contend he was largely in the right place at the right time. history is being kind to him. Hell, history's being kind to NIXON anymore.....

 

regan was /is an actor. gorbachev ended the cold war. and he did because of his buddhist spiritual beliefs.

 

You're an idiot. It's spelled Reagan...and his previous profession isn't the point. (And he is, sadly, a "was", since 2004). He was the last American president who was a leader and that one could be proud of. Much of the world respected him. Big Bush couldn't compare, Billy Clinton was a chameleon who couldn't keep his zipper closed (read the Starr report and tell me how proud you are of that man), and the present inarticulate occupant of the White House has proved to be a bit of a disappointment.

 

I grew up hiding under a school desk every Friday or so while the horrifying scream of air-raid sirens prepped us for a possible nuclear attack from the Soviet Union. Maybe you're too young to have experienced that. Reagan essentially brought them down. And Nixon was no foreign policy slacker either. He wisely set the foundation for what was a realistic engagement with the other powers of the world.

 

Three cheers for Ronald Reagan! :brew:

He did make the world safer until it was botched by his successors.

 

And a couple more for Mr. Nixon. :brew:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Raindawg]

Gore should have received the Nobel Award for Hysterical Global Alarmism.

 

It's been known for many decades that global warming has been taking place for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Perhaps we have accelerated it, but it ain't a new story. Sea levels have been rising for at least 10,000 years (when they were 300 feet lower). Get used to it. Wait around a few more thousands years and you might see it go in reverse.

[No. 13 Baby]

"Washington could not tell a lie; Nixon could not tell the truth; Reagan could not tell the difference."

-Mort Sahl

 

 

[joblo7]

there is one thang ; 'peace is not the absence of war".CKG

 

under clinton america was less belligerent.i am proud of him .

 

much of your 'reasoning' is based in fear. the good old scare-them-save-them routine.

"the only thing we need to fear, is fear itself." TE adoro Rosie Velt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Okay, KK, can you put forth the name of someone you think would be deserving of the Peace Prize and back it up with some facts in support of this person?

 

Look at the history of the award. Mostly they've done a good job, although in recent years it's been more and more debatable. Some years NO award was given.

 

Can I think of someone? No. I'm sure there is someone deserving of it... or maybe not - as I noted sometimes no award was given. But Gore definitely doesn't deserve the friggin' Peace prize. At least with Carter it made sense.

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Okay, KK, can you put forth the name of someone you think would be deserving of the Peace Prize and back it up with some facts in support of this person?

 

Look at the history of the award. Mostly they've done a good job, although in recent years it's been more and more debatable. Some years NO award was given.

 

Can I think of someone? No. I'm sure there is someone deserving of it... or maybe not - as I noted sometimes no award was given. But Gore definitely doesn't deserve the friggin' Peace prize. At least with Carter it made sense.

 

And, for the record, I don't think Reagan deserved it either (as others are arguing). I liked what he did, but his means were not in the spirit of the Peace Prize.

[brokeback_mtn]

Your an idiot. It's spelled Reagan...

 

 

LOLERZ, aren't you a college professor? Idiot.

[No. 13 Baby]

Your an idiot. It's spelled Reagan...

LOLERZ, aren't you a college professor? Idiot.

 

Homeboy probably has excellent Phi Beta Kappa credentials, like the KKK dude.

[Raindawg]

Your an idiot. It's spelled Reagan...

 

 

LOLERZ, aren't you a college professor? Idiot.

 

Correction to "you're" noted and changed...[i had a beer in my hand at the time]...but you're still an idiot.

 

 

[pink]

Copy of Earth in the Balance - $29.50

Ticket to An Inconvenient Truth - $8.50

Listening to neocons whine like bitches about Nobel Peace Prize - PRICELESS!

 

 

let me guess, your fresh out of college.

[pink]

Copy of Earth in the Balance - $29.50

Ticket to An Inconvenient Truth - $8.50

Listening to neocons whine like bitches about Nobel Peace Prize - PRICELESS!

 

 

let me guess, your fresh out of college.

[No. 13 Baby]

let me guess, your fresh out of college.

 

Let me guess . . . "your" one of the folks who don't realize that Rush Limbaugh is a comedian.

[pink]

i'm not a democrat nor a republican.

 

 

rush is just another shock jockey there to get girly guys like you all riled up.

 

 

you my friend are living a lie and your arguments are one sided.

 

 

like i said, i would bet that you are fresh out of college or in the mist of.

 

 

maybe you can get your grades tatooed on your forehead for being a good little student.

[No. 13 Baby]

I think - with time, and lots of hard work - there may be a GED in your future.

[pink]

i'm pink, nice to meet you. i can only hope that someday i can be as smart as you. don't you have a mid-term to go study for.