tvashtarkatena Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) Actually, I think they usually print 'exotic dancer'. 'Prostitute' takes up less copy space, though. Except when a politician is involved. Then it's definitely 'stripper'. Edited January 3, 2007 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 anybody refer to the lacrosse players as presumed rapists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 alleged, my son, alleged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 wow! great question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 alleged, my son, alleged. you allege that they did call them that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 But Arch, how will I know if they just say "woman" that she wasn't a stripper in her spare time? You're destined to prevail in this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Certainly there is some sales value in salacious material and we are more likely to find it interesting that someone was a prostitute as opposed to a sales clerk, but part of that also reflects the fact that when it comes to random attack and street crime, prostitutes are in a high risk occupation that may in itself contribute to the circumstances providing opportunity for the crime. Sometimes reporters are trying to report pertinent information but end up accused of perpetrating stereotypes or the ongoing oppression of women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 media case made in heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Did any of you guys notice that CNN called Obama "Osama"? oops, ya right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I can't help but notice that the only people who get referred to as their profession in these types of cases (and murder cases) are strippers and prostitutes. I never hear the victim get referred to as "the project manager" or "the engineer" if that happened to be the profession of the woman who was attacked. These are people, they are women. Please show a little respect. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 yeah.. and climbers get called 'hikers' all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Did any of you guys notice that CNN called Obama "Osama"? oops, ya right come on! another conspiracy? next thing you know they'll bring out his middle name. we can trust those fuckers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Did any of you guys notice that CNN called Obama "Osama"? oops, ya right Borat Osama? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The Duke Lacrosse players were much too intelligent they fucking lacrosse players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Certainly there is some sales value in salacious material and we are more likely to find it interesting that someone was a prostitute as opposed to a sales clerk, but part of that also reflects the fact that when it comes to random attack and street crime, prostitutes are in a high risk occupation that may in itself contribute to the circumstances providing opportunity for the crime. Sometimes reporters are trying to report pertinent information but end up accused of perpetrating stereotypes or the ongoing oppression of women. Yes, but what was the purpose behind your use of the word? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 to demean the accuser,as is customary in rape case. character assassination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Psst, Archy: she was a stripper at a party and complained that things went south on her in a major way. Her role there does not in any way excuse what did or did not happen to her, but it is not the same as if she was one of the invited guests. Twenty five years ago, we hosted a bachelor party at a house where I was a tenant and before the "guest" was to appear, a mean looking guy pushed his way into the house, ran through our party, and just as quickly left. We all wondered if he was a gangster who had simply entered the wrong party, and we wondered if we should be scared or not. But then when the "guest" showed up five minutes later we realized he was her scout, and we decided it was OK. We could see how she was taking some real risks and we didn't blame her for wanting someone to check it out in advance. In the Duke case, I think her role in the party is quite significant. If you think that acknowledging that role or even mentioning it is somehow an evil victimization of women, I think you have a problem with reality and rational thought. Take the chip off your shoulder and I think you'll be able to stand up straighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Go easy on her, mattp. She's just being the mediator here. She's taking a stand between you and strippers. You should have known that was her location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 She's taking a stand between you and strippers. Not necessary. The four foot rule didn't pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Psst, Archy: she was a stripper at a party and complained that things went south on her in a major way. Her role there does not in any way excuse what did or did not happen to her, but it is not the same as if she was one of the invited guests. Twenty five years ago, we hosted a bachelor party at a house where I was a tenant and before the "guest" was to appear, a mean looking guy pushed his way into the house, ran through our party, and just as quickly left. We all wondered if he was a gangster who had simply entered the wrong party, and we wondered if we should be scared or not. But then when the "guest" showed up five minutes later we realized he was her scout, and we decided it was OK. We could see how she was taking some real risks and we didn't blame her for wanting someone to check it out in advance. In the Duke case, I think her role in the party is quite significant. If you think that acknowledging that role or even mentioning it is somehow an evil victimization of women, I think you have a problem with reality and rational thought. Take the chip off your shoulder and I think you'll be able to stand up straighter. I honestly hope that you don't have any clients who happen to be female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 That would definitely be a problem if all women* assiduously cultivated a sense of resentment and victimhood as a central component of their identity. *Sorry. Meant "womyn." Apologies for the repressive partiarchal assumptions that are encoded in my language and thereby projected onto all female-humans in as a subconscious act of pre-victimization that's essential to the marginalization and dehumanization that make up the core of their experience and reality in our society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Jay, how long have you been a racialist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 *Sorry. Meant "womyn." Apologies for the repressive partiarchal assumptions that are encoded in my language and thereby projected onto all female-humans in as a subconscious act of pre-victimization that's essential to the marginalization and dehumanization that make up the core of their experience and reality in our society. You've been in Cambridge too long.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 no shit. what a beyotch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Did everybody get my joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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