Alpinfox Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Just wondering - how many of you have close friends who don't share your political/religious outlook? Yes JayB, it's true. Almost every single one of my friends is a liberal, "conservative"-hating, tree-hugging, atheist, anti-government, conspiracy theorist. It's true I'm not open minded or receptive about the christian fundamentalists' religious/political agenda. I oppose it vehemently and consider anyone who espouses it to be my enemy. I do however hold Voltaire's statement, "I may disagree with your opinion but will fight to the death for your right to express it" as a personal credo. Then again, in the words of The Reverend Samuel L. Jackson, "YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Moby says he's a Christian, but he aint giving away free shit on his website like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 That wasn't intended to be a criticism - just a question. I once lived with a couple of guys who grew up in the South, attended Christian Schools, listened to Christian Music, Watched Christian TV, got their first jobs at Christian companies, etc. Most of the people in their neck of the woods had a worldview that was probably pretty similar to their own, so they could more or less hang out with like-minded folks exclusively and not exclude many people that they'd otherwise be friends with. Not many people in the places I've spent most of my time share the entire agnostic, free-market, quasi-libertarian republican zetigeist so at least 95% percent of my friends and family register way to the left of me when it comes to politics, and just about the same percentage have some sort of religious faith as well. If I happened to live in an area where most of the people were agnostics who prefered Friedman to Keynes I wouldn't have to have made the effort. It's actually kind of fun being in stealth mode and just kind of listening along and offering neutral commentary "That's an interesting point...", "That's interesting. I hadn't thought of that.." at 95% of the social functions that I go to. The other night I sat and smiled while listening to a group of people who were tremendously upset by the fact that most mainstream commentators generally had positive things to say about Reagan when he died. I was about to break out laughing because I can remember being seriously pissed off that I was too young to cast a vote for him during the '84 elections... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 regional and socio-economic group think. just nod your head to the cowed/sheeple they'll accept you as a belonger to the herd. learn it. love it. lather up a supermodel with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 friends? I don't have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottgg Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 You know, I have this thread over in "Climbing Partners" that I'm sure will have its already slim chances of being answered absolutely crushed, but I'd rather stay home anyway . Are there any other "religious" climbers out there? Or at least any gun-toting capitalists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 friends? I don't have any. I'd say you have 33% less than me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Just wondering - how many of you have close friends who don't share your political/religious outlook? Yes JayB, it's true. Almost every single one of my friends is a liberal, "conservative"-hating, tree-hugging, atheist, anti-government, conspiracy theorist. It's true I'm not open minded or receptive about the christian fundamentalists' religious/political agenda. I oppose it vehemently and consider anyone who espouses it to be my enemy. I do however hold Voltaire's statement, "I may disagree with your opinion but will fight to the death for your right to express it" as a personal credo. Then again, in the words of The Reverend Samuel L. Jackson, "YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!" hmmm...i think i want to be alpinfox's friend. ...as long as he doesn't wear a banana hammock around me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBRstreetgang Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 (edited) guns capitalism dancing girls hamsandwich. I got $95 in free shit, points for getting closest to 100 with out going over Edited August 18, 2006 by PBRstreetgang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 hmmm...i think i want to be alpinfox's friend. ...as long as he doesn't wear a banana hammock around me. What! That's one of the fringe benefits of being Fox's friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 well i didn't know his banana hammock had fringe! that changes everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Just wondering - how many of you have close friends who don't share your political/religious outlook? Yes JayB, it's true. Almost every single one of my friends is a liberal, "conservative"-hating, tree-hugging, atheist, anti-government, conspiracy theorist. It's true I'm not open minded or receptive about the christian fundamentalists' religious/political agenda. I oppose it vehemently and consider anyone who espouses it to be my enemy. I do however hold Voltaire's statement, "I may disagree with your opinion but will fight to the death for your right to express it" as a personal credo. Then again, in the words of The Reverend Samuel L. Jackson, "YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!" I am continuously running into people that I should probably loathe on the basis of some aspect of their outlook but most have this annoying tendency to bundle a bunch of redeeming qualities along with the bits that I don't care for as much. Much easier to keep the vigilance going when someone with a different perspective also happens to be a complete jackass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hey lucky for you most of them ARE jackasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 yes wouldn't it be nice if the whole world could be evaluated in simplistic black and white terms. my mother is a flaming republican but i still love her. most of my co-workers are more liberal than i am and i like several of them. i've even got one or two friends that voted for bush....twice. heck when i was younger, i even voted republican a few times. as for religion...i take a harder line and have less tolerance for that than i do for a difference in politics. none the less, i've never refused to share a beer with someone just b/c they went to church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hey lucky for you most of them ARE jackasses. thats my line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 as for religion...i take a harder line and have less tolerance for that than i do for a difference in politics. none the less, i've never refused to share a beer with someone just b/c they went to church. its a well known fact that church going girls are easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 i've never refused to share a beer with someone just b/c they went to church. That's why if anything I'll take a Catholic, they'll sit down and have a lot more than ONE beer with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 yes wouldn't it be nice if the whole world could be evaluated in simplistic black and white terms. my mother is a flaming republican but i still love her. most of my co-workers are more liberal than i am and i like several of them. i've even got one or two friends that voted for bush....twice. heck when i was younger, i even voted republican a few times. as for religion...i take a harder line and have less tolerance for that than i do for a difference in politics. none the less, i've never refused to share a beer with someone just b/c they went to church. When it comes to religion I've found that I care less and less what people say they believe and more and more about how they act, as the latter is a way better reflection of what their true motives are and what they actually believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 When it comes to religion I've found that I care less and less what people say they believe and more and more about how they act, as the latter is a way better reflection of what their true motives are and what they actually believe. Interesting giving the increasing guld between professed beliefs and practiced beliefs in America (and abroad, places like the Muslim world) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I believe Alpinfox dances around his house alone wearing nothing but a banana hammock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I actually think that for the most part there's been a pretty steady improvement in that direction over time, at least in most cases. If the walls of most Abbey's from the Middle Ages could talk it would probably make the recent Catholic Molestation Confessional seem like an episode of "Sesame Street." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I believe Alpinfox dances around his house alone wearing nothing but a banana hammock is that how he prays to the altar of Steve House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Goddamnit, I told you they weren't fringed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 MY EYES! DEAR GOD MY EYES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 When it comes to religion I've found that I care less and less what people say they believe and more and more about how they act, as the latter is a way better reflection of what their true motives are and what they actually believe. I just care about how funny people are on the internet, that's why Oilyclimber is my best friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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