Mike_Gauthier Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 It may sound like science fiction, but the prospect that suicide bombers and hijackers could be made redundant by flying robots is a real one, according to experts. The technology for remote-controlled light aircraft is now highly advanced, widely available -- and, experts say, virtually unstoppable. Models with a wingspan of five metres (16 feet), capable of carrying up to 50 kilograms (110 pounds), remain undetectable by radar. And thanks to satellite positioning systems, they can now be programmed to hit targets some distance away with just a few metres (yards) short of pinpoint accuracy. Security services the world over have been considering the problem for several years, but no one has yet come up with a solution. "We are observing an increasing threat from such things as remote-controlled aircraft used as small flying bombs against soft targets," the head of the Canadian secret services, Michael Gauthier , said at a conference in Calgary recently. According to Gauthier, "ultra-light aircraft, powered hang gliders or powered paragliders have also been purchased by terrorist groups to circumvent ground-based countermeasures." On May 1 the US website Defensetech published an article by military technology specialist David Hambling, entitled "Terrorists' unmanned air force". "While billions have been spent on ballistic missile defense, little attention has been given to the more imminent threat posed by unmanned air vehicles in the hands of terrorists or rogue states," writes Hambling. Armed militant groups have already tried to use unmanned aircraft, according to a number of studies by institutions including the Center for Nonproliferation studies in Monterey, California, and the Center for Arms Control, Energy and Environmental Studies in Moscow. In August 2002, for example, the Colombian military reported finding nine small remote-controlled planes at a base it had taken from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). On April 11, 2005 the Lebanese Shiite militia group, Hezbollah, flew a pilotless drone over Israeli territory, on what it called a "surveillance" mission. The Israeli military confirmed this and responded by flying warplanes over southern Lebanon. Remote-control planes are not hard to get hold of, according to Jean-Christian Delessert, who runs a specialist model airplane shop near Geneva. "Putting together a large-scale model is not difficult -- all you need is a few materials and a decent electronics technician," says Delessert. In his view, "if terrorists get hold of that, it will be impossible to do anything about it. We did some tests with a friend who works at a military radar base: they never detected us... if the radar picks anything up, it thinks it is a flock of birds and automatically wipes it." Japanese company Yamaha, meanwhile, has produced 95-kilogram (209-pound) robot helicopter that is 3.6 metres (11.8 feet) long and has a 256 cc engine. It flies close to the ground at about 20 kilometres per hour (12 miles per hour), nothing but an incredible stroke of luck could stop it if it suddenly appeared in the sky above the White House -- and it is already on the market. Bruce Simpson, an engineer from New Zealand, managed to produce an even more dangerous contraption in his own garage: a mini-cruise missile. He made it out of readily available materials at a cost of less than 5,000 dollars (4,000 euros). According to Simpson's website (www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile), the New Zealand authorities forced him to shut down the project -- though only once he had already finished making the missile -- under pressure from the United States. Eugene Miasnikov of the Center for Arms Control, Energy and Environmental Studies in Moscow said these kinds of threats must be taken more seriously. "To many people UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) may seem too exotic, demanding substantial efforts and cost compared with the methods terrorists frequently use," he said. "But science and technology is developing so fast that we often fail to recognise how much the world has changed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfinley Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I forsee some homeland security funding going to Camp Muir to protect American cliimbers from robot smart bombs. It is a well known fact that the Iranians and North Koreans want to dominate the alpine world and will do anything to get ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Ah, the bright side of being laid off due to NPS funding cutbacks: better pay in the private sector as a secret agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 It's easy to build a robot plane, but it's still hard to find the Nodder. OMG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dt_3pin Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Ah, the bright side of being laid off due to NPS funding cutbacks: better pay in the private sector as a secret agent. yeah, but apparently he's a Canadian secret agent. Sounds rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Before radar we depended on eyes to detect incoming bombers. That is what will be used as countermeasures for pilotless aircraft. For certain high value targets, such as the White House, it could be possible to keep pilotless drones aloft with robotic eyes. Antiaircraft fire would take down anything that is detected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 CBS, this is the real world, not cartoons. The White House is not Castle Grayskull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hombre Secreto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Dru, go back to playing with your action figures, will you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I forsee some homeland security funding going to Camp Muir to protect American cliimbers from robot smart bombs. It is a well known fact that the Iranians and North Koreans want to dominate the alpine world and will do anything to get ahead. No wonder that speed climber guy is so damn paranoid... Dan.. or whatever his name was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 There is an unmanned vehicle company that sells its products to the Navy right here in Washington State. They have sold some of their stuff that was engaged in Iraq (although, they really are not designed to carry bombing loads): http://www.insitugroup.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 "We are observing an increasing threat from such things as remote-controlled aircraft used as small flying bombs against soft targets," the head of the Canadian secret services, Michael Gauthier , said at a conference in Calgary recently. You know this does not surprise me one bit coming from a person who works with the Bush administration. Hell, I bet you really work for the CIA and made plenty of runs to the Eastern European countries last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_A Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Think of the prospects. Maybe we can cohort with the terrorists, and have them bomb avalanche terrain. Dru, should we refer to you as He-Man now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I'm more of a G Force type of guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerJ Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I'm more of a G Force type of guy I am glad you didn't say you were a G-String sort of guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I am glad you didn't say you were a G-String sort of guy. What man doesn't like them on the apropriate female? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerJ Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 What man doesn't like them on the apropriate female? Him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hell ya, your mom was showing me hers just last night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hell ya, your mom was showing me hers just last night! Dru, my mom isn't living and doesn't have a penis. I think you 've been had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Anyways, back to these robot planes flying with pinpoint accuracy... if I was UPS or FedEx, I'd be pretty scared. No more need for courier companies. And they can cross the border too! DirtyHarry, your shipment is 'in transit' as we speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 yeah, but apparently he's a Canadian secret agent. Sounds rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fear_and_greed Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 For certain high value targets, such as the White House..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Gauthier Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 yeah, but apparently he's a Canadian secret agent. Sounds rad. Cool hat... but I don't know about the horse... What's a Nodder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 I bet your job isn't as fun as selkirks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Horses shouldn't be that gay. What's wrong with you people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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